A lot of people are confusing the 'socialism' that exists within Nordic countries, which includes universal healthcare, higher taxes and a sustainable, green economy, with the economic system in Greece.
Greece is not an example of what happens when social democracy is implemented – its an example of what happens when more than 80% of the country avoids paying tax. So perhaps it's time members here stopped trying to act as though socialist policies have been the root of all of Greece's problems.
Speaking as a European, I feel what is happening in Greece is terrible. A deal needs to be made, and even as someone who is pro-EU, I believe Greece needs to leave the Euro. Its economy is not to the standard of Sweden, Germany, France or even Italy – it was a bad move in the beginning, and it's bad to keep them in now. <sidenote>I'm also hoping for a return to the Drachma as I'm sure the Pound-Drachma currency conversion will be great!</sidenote>. Leaving the Euro won't solve all of Greece's problems, but it should come with a major restructuring of loans that will allow the Greek economy to grow – rather than forcing it to shrink even further.
(Edit: Obviously this is a good move from Apple, not magical but there's not much else they can do.)
It's called accountability, and yes, people are accountable and responsible for the choices that they make in life.
So, here's a question for you, Apple][ and Tallest Skil (and I could add a few other names). Hopefully, you'll give us an honest answer.
Suppose you're walking along the road, and you come across someone who was hit by a car is bleeding to death. You ask him what happened, and he admits to being drunk and jaywalking. He's wearing a "Hillary for President" button.
What would you do? (Assume he does not have a cell phone because he's poor, you however do, and what's more, you're getting 5 bars of signal).
So, here's a question for you, Apple][ and Tallest Skil (and I could add a few other names). Hopefully, you'll give us an honest answer.
Suppose you're walking along the road, and you come across someone who was hit by a car is bleeding to death. You ask him what happened, and he admits to being drunk and jaywalking. He's wearing a "Hillary for President" button.
What would you do? (Assume he does not have a cell phone because he's poor, you however do, and what's more, you're getting 5 bars of signal).
Non sequitur. Greece's case is not a life or death situation. Also, the drunkard may be a moron (for being a drunkard and jaywalking; your political mention is an attempt to elicit political responses which I will not give you) but that does not stop me from aiding the man. He no doubt has a mother who loves him inspite of his behavior.
Greece has hard times ahead. As do we all; the US is no exception. Hard times make or break people and nations. Avoiding the inevitable does no one any good.
My goodness, someone giving them a few dollars of cloud storage is such compassion, you're so right.
I'm trying not to vomit from the spin here.
Well, it's infinitely more compassion than someone like you can seem to manage in 50 lifetimes, so there's that.
I'm always fascinated by people like you, who shit on and belittle the positive things than another party does. He never said it was the most compassionate act in history, he just stated that it WAS compassionate. Which is objectively true, and which for some reason makes you want to vomit.
When someone is being fucked 6 ways to Sunday, any compassionate act is seen as very meaningful- although I doubt that's something you will ever understand, as you lack something called empathy.
So as long as no humans of any political inclination are allowed to involve themselves in any way, socialism works pretty well.
I think that’s the best description of the process that I’ve ever seen.
You want a silver bullet? Okay: destroy fiat currency and return to a currency backed by, well, silver.
I agree a commodity backed currency would be better, although just opening economies up to currency competition would result in best of class solutions. People could end up backing Canadian Maple Leaf gold coin backed digital currency, for example.
So, here's a question for you, Apple][ and Tallest Skil (and I could add a few other names). Hopefully, you'll give us an honest answer.
Suppose you're walking along the road, and you come across someone who was hit by a car is bleeding to death. You ask him what happened, and he admits to being drunk and jaywalking. He's wearing a "Hillary for President" button.
What would you do? (Assume he does not have a cell phone because he's poor, you however do, and what's more, you're getting 5 bars of signal).
And here's my honest answer. I wouldn't touch them or attempt to help them in any way, as I am not a qualified medical practitioner, and I also would not want to get involved or be liable for anything legal. I would obviously call 911 for them, if they did not have their own phone, no matter what kind of political button they were wearing, unless it was an ISIS button or an Al-Qaeda button or something similar.
The big questions are how did Greece reach such dire straits and how to prevent it for them and for everybody in the future? In other words, we must learn from experience or else we will repeat it. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Well, it's infinitely more compassion than someone like you can seem to manage in 50 lifetimes, so there's that.
I'm always fascinated by people like you, who shit on and belittle the positive things than another party does. He never said it was the most compassionate act in history, he just stated that it WAS compassionate. Which is objectively true, and which for some reason makes you want to vomit.
When someone is being fucked 6 ways to Sunday, any compassionate act is seen as very meaningful- although I doubt that's something you will ever understand, as you lack something called empathy.
He said the Greek people would be sure to remember it. That seems to imply the act is closer to Mother Teresa rather than just a company after a little good PR and hoping to be able to auto-bill those customers again soon enough.
Empathy is a tool; I use it, it is not my master.
A few years ago I was experiencing daily pain, which interfered with my ability to live a normal life. I had the option of putting up with it or having surgery to treat the issue. The surgery left me largely incapacitated for a week, and I had months of recovery ahead. Now I'm fine.
Greece is the same way; they can either keep delaying the inevitable, making it worse (if I'd gotten it taken care of earlier the surgery and recovery would have been much less difficult), or they can go through the pain now and come out better for it on the other side. It takes empathy and compassion to recognize when someone needs to pass through a trial themselves; it would not be compassionate to prolong suffering.
PS: Using profanity to make your points weakens your argument; profanity is a childish tool, not something to be found in the vocabulary of a civilized adult.
Putting aside the transparent attempt to distract away from a pertinent point, you're completely and utterly wrong, as usual. Sweden's high rape reporting is due to a number of factors, including but not limited to:
Sweden actually reports and investigates rape very well, much more thoroughly than most other countries.
Sweden has a significantly more open culture for for encouraging women to come forward with rape allegations. There is less stigma than in many other countries.
Sweden categorises rape quite widely. Things which would be sexual assault in a lot of other countries are called rape in Sweden.
Actually, you know what, you are right. Sweden's socialist government and culture has led to these three factors, so socialism has led to Sweden's high reported rape rate, to positive ends. Well done, your hateful dirge inadvertently hit on something.
The big questions are how did Greece reach such dire straits and how to prevent it for them and for everybody in the future? In other words, we must learn from experience or else we will repeat it. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
I saw a new take on that the other day; those who remember the past are doomed to watch everyone else repeat it. " src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
He said the Greek people would be sure to remember it. That seems to imply the act is closer to Mother Teresa rather than just a company after a little good PR and hoping to be able to auto-bill those customers again soon enough.
Empathy is a tool; I use it, it is not my master.
A few years ago I was experiencing daily pain, which interfered with my ability to live a normal life. I had the option of putting up with it or having surgery to treat the issue. The surgery left me largely incapacitated for a week, and I had months of recovery ahead. Now I'm fine.
Greece is the same way; they can either keep delaying the inevitable, making it worse (if I'd gotten it taken care of earlier the surgery and recovery would have been much less difficult), or they can go through the pain now and come out better for it on the other side. It takes empathy and compassion to recognize when someone needs to pass through a trial themselves; it would not be compassionate to prolong suffering.
PS: Using profanity to make your points weakens your argument; profanity is a childish tool, not something to be found in the vocabulary of a civilized adult.
Stop using the "profanity" accusation as a crutch to pretend that you're somehow superior in maturity. Would "screwed" 6 ways to Sunday be better for you? It's a damn expression. Speaking of childishness, there's nothing more childish than that simplistic analogy you just espoused, pretending to make some kind of meaningful statement. No, nothing from what he said made me think of Mother Teresa. Unfortunately, false sensationalism, absurd analogies, and logical fallacies are the only tools in your arsenal. There's also nothing in your post that has any bearing no why Apple shouldn't give a shred of goodwill to people who have been paying for the service, and got it interrupted through no fault of their own, which you seem offended by. There's nothing "civilized" about any of that, no matter how much you wish you were.
So as long as no humans of any political inclination are allowed to involve themselves in any way, socialism works pretty well.
I think that’s the best description of the process that I’ve ever seen.
You want a silver bullet? Okay: destroy fiat currency and return to a currency backed by, well, silver.
It did not work that well in Imperial Rome.
Check out Rome's Capitolin Museums currency collection, btw, it's awesome. You'll see how Emperors had very similar problems to ours, even with a currency based on Silver, then Gold.
That is genuinely amazing. Did you actually just try and imply (through "wondering") that socialism is responsible for rape in Sweden?
Most definitely. Europe's leftwing turncoats are responsible for their failed experiment called "multiculturalism", and these leftwing socialists and destroyers of western society are definitely responsible for the high rape rates in Sweden. There are numerous articles that have been written about this topic.
Most definitely. Europe's leftwing turncoats are responsible for their failed experiment called "multiculturalism", and these leftwing socialists and destroyers of western society are definitely responsible for the high rape rates in Sweden. There are numerous articles that have been written about this topic.
Sure. Because all the immigrants in Europe go to Sweden. Obviously you're right and that must be the reason.
Seriously, do you apply any intellectual rigour at all to this nonsense?
And here's my honest answer. I wouldn't touch them or attempt to help them in any way, as I am not a qualified medical practitioner, and I also would not want to get involved or be liable for anything legal. I would obviously call 911 for them, if they did not have their own phone, no matter what kind of political button they were wearing, unless it was an ISIS button or an Al-Qaeda button or something similar.
Appreciate the honest answer. The point is, you wouldn't just point and go, "wheee, a socialist who should be held accountable for his actions."
Non sequitur. Greece's case is not a life or death situation. Also, the drunkard may be a moron (for being a drunkard and jaywalking; your political mention is an attempt to elicit political responses which I will not give you) but that does not stop me from aiding the man. He no doubt has a mother who loves him inspite of his behavior.
Greece has hard times ahead. As do we all; the US is no exception. Hard times make or break people and nations. Avoiding the inevitable does no one any good.
You simply evaded the question. If I took out the words "..to death" out of my post, it is not a non sequitur at all.
Pitiful! Why not extend it to every person in the world who is, or thinks they have financial problems? If you can't afford the luxuries of life, do without them. This is a great lesson for Greece and everyone who gets into credit card debt.
The problem is not just money, is means to pay; currency is basically locked inside the country.
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My history of the era isn't too good but didn't Greece vote along with other countries to allow Germany's debit to be written off after WWII? This after Greece was brutalized beyond belief by the Germans too. Somewhat of a worse offense than 'having financial problems' when you think about it.
That along with Marshall Plan, $120 Billion in today's money, from the USA got Germany going again. Sometimes helping out works quite well in the long run. If not for those actions of help, Germany would be an impoverished nation probably begging for a hand out today. That or they'd have started WWIII by now.
The difference is GREEKS DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT REFORMS.
They already got a debt reduction and huge loan package before.
Why loan more, cut more debt, when there is not one inkling of effort to make your country competitive.
Some people say their net balance is now positive... (sic); only using very creative accounting...
If they'd actually started reforms like they promised 5 years ago; the ECB and others would probably advance money no question.
They got money and did nothing; see the problem.
There is a massive credibility gap here.
The current government likes to say lot of crap, but in the end,
when in 5 years they need more money, he'll come running back with another sob story
pointing fingers (the middle one...) and looking for more cash.
You can bank on it.
I always find it funny when I hear creditor this, creditor that; well the creditor right now are the Euro countries and those countries have democratically elected governments whose electors are starting to be pretty pissed off. Why? Greece did no substantial reform.
So, you think those "evil creditors"/people of the EU, should just say, what the hell, its just another $500, I can spare that!
Wouldn't that money be better spent helping poor people in Syria, Africa, Asia, or whatever? What makes Greeks so special!
As for Germany being impoverished. I don't think so.
Its Geography, education, work ethic, culture, made it probable it would rise again.
Not to mention Geopolitics of the time and that Germany, unlike Greece, is consequential (then and now).
IT would have just taken 20 years instead of 8.
The only thing that could have made them truly empoverished for 40 years is if they'd dismanteled all of German industry as reparation for war losses (like some in the US wanted). Even then, I'd still would have bet on Germany to come out better than Greece.
One thing you also forgot. The reason the US invested in Germany... The Cold war. They wanted a strong Germany in the center of Europe in the face of the USSR. That kind of factors doesn't really exists anymore. The US didn't do all that giving from the bottom of their heart, it was in their best interest strategically to do it.
Oh My God!! Are you really that stupid? This must be one of the most idiotic and hateful comments I have ever seen on AI. Please tell us that you are suffering from a congenital mental defect caused by multiple generations of inbreeding. That is the only explanation that could possibly mitigate the idiocy you have demonstrated on this forum.
Before embarrassing yourself further and displaying any more of your child like ignorance, I suggest that you educate yourself before replying to me.
Lastly, the comment about ‘which country landed not the moon’ is absurd. We got to the moon only because we imported Nazi rocket-scientists and gave them amnesty in return for helping our rocket program. If the Russians had ‘bought’ these Nazi scientists, they would have landed on the moon instead of us. The only thing we can proud of is our government's willingness to sell out our principles in return for some Nazi technology. All while lecturing the rest of the world on morality.
In fact, the Soviets very nearly DID land on the moon about two weeks ahead of Apollo 11, but a catastrophic failure of the N1 rocket destroyed the launch pad and delayed the whole program by at least two years, which ultimately resulted in cancellation, since the moon landings were purely political and nobody in charge actually cared about the science much.
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A lot of people are confusing the 'socialism' that exists within Nordic countries, which includes universal healthcare, higher taxes and a sustainable, green economy, with the economic system in Greece.
Greece is not an example of what happens when social democracy is implemented – its an example of what happens when more than 80% of the country avoids paying tax. So perhaps it's time members here stopped trying to act as though socialist policies have been the root of all of Greece's problems.
Speaking as a European, I feel what is happening in Greece is terrible. A deal needs to be made, and even as someone who is pro-EU, I believe Greece needs to leave the Euro. Its economy is not to the standard of Sweden, Germany, France or even Italy – it was a bad move in the beginning, and it's bad to keep them in now. <sidenote>I'm also hoping for a return to the Drachma as I'm sure the Pound-Drachma currency conversion will be great!</sidenote>. Leaving the Euro won't solve all of Greece's problems, but it should come with a major restructuring of loans that will allow the Greek economy to grow – rather than forcing it to shrink even further.
(Edit: Obviously this is a good move from Apple, not magical but there's not much else they can do.)
It's called accountability, and yes, people are accountable and responsible for the choices that they make in life.
So, here's a question for you, Apple][ and Tallest Skil (and I could add a few other names). Hopefully, you'll give us an honest answer.
Suppose you're walking along the road, and you come across someone who was hit by a car is bleeding to death. You ask him what happened, and he admits to being drunk and jaywalking. He's wearing a "Hillary for President" button.
What would you do? (Assume he does not have a cell phone because he's poor, you however do, and what's more, you're getting 5 bars of signal).
Remind me which country landed on the moon again?
Remind me, which country has the possibility of landing on the moon now?
A child is satisfied with a simple toy, yet achieves little. Remind me which country landed on the moon again?
Remind us all of how that was funded.
Non sequitur. Greece's case is not a life or death situation. Also, the drunkard may be a moron (for being a drunkard and jaywalking; your political mention is an attempt to elicit political responses which I will not give you) but that does not stop me from aiding the man. He no doubt has a mother who loves him inspite of his behavior.
Greece has hard times ahead. As do we all; the US is no exception. Hard times make or break people and nations. Avoiding the inevitable does no one any good.
My goodness, someone giving them a few dollars of cloud storage is such compassion, you're so right.
I'm trying not to vomit from the spin here.
Well, it's infinitely more compassion than someone like you can seem to manage in 50 lifetimes, so there's that.
I'm always fascinated by people like you, who shit on and belittle the positive things than another party does. He never said it was the most compassionate act in history, he just stated that it WAS compassionate. Which is objectively true, and which for some reason makes you want to vomit.
When someone is being fucked 6 ways to Sunday, any compassionate act is seen as very meaningful- although I doubt that's something you will ever understand, as you lack something called empathy.
I agree a commodity backed currency would be better, although just opening economies up to currency competition would result in best of class solutions. People could end up backing Canadian Maple Leaf gold coin backed digital currency, for example.
So, here's a question for you, Apple][ and Tallest Skil (and I could add a few other names). Hopefully, you'll give us an honest answer.
Suppose you're walking along the road, and you come across someone who was hit by a car is bleeding to death. You ask him what happened, and he admits to being drunk and jaywalking. He's wearing a "Hillary for President" button.
What would you do? (Assume he does not have a cell phone because he's poor, you however do, and what's more, you're getting 5 bars of signal).
And here's my honest answer. I wouldn't touch them or attempt to help them in any way, as I am not a qualified medical practitioner, and I also would not want to get involved or be liable for anything legal. I would obviously call 911 for them, if they did not have their own phone, no matter what kind of political button they were wearing, unless it was an ISIS button or an Al-Qaeda button or something similar.
The big questions are how did Greece reach such dire straits and how to prevent it for them and for everybody in the future? In other words, we must learn from experience or else we will repeat it. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Well, it's infinitely more compassion than someone like you can seem to manage in 50 lifetimes, so there's that.
I'm always fascinated by people like you, who shit on and belittle the positive things than another party does. He never said it was the most compassionate act in history, he just stated that it WAS compassionate. Which is objectively true, and which for some reason makes you want to vomit.
When someone is being fucked 6 ways to Sunday, any compassionate act is seen as very meaningful- although I doubt that's something you will ever understand, as you lack something called empathy.
He said the Greek people would be sure to remember it. That seems to imply the act is closer to Mother Teresa rather than just a company after a little good PR and hoping to be able to auto-bill those customers again soon enough.
Empathy is a tool; I use it, it is not my master.
A few years ago I was experiencing daily pain, which interfered with my ability to live a normal life. I had the option of putting up with it or having surgery to treat the issue. The surgery left me largely incapacitated for a week, and I had months of recovery ahead. Now I'm fine.
Greece is the same way; they can either keep delaying the inevitable, making it worse (if I'd gotten it taken care of earlier the surgery and recovery would have been much less difficult), or they can go through the pain now and come out better for it on the other side. It takes empathy and compassion to recognize when someone needs to pass through a trial themselves; it would not be compassionate to prolong suffering.
PS: Using profanity to make your points weakens your argument; profanity is a childish tool, not something to be found in the vocabulary of a civilized adult.
Also rates higher than every country on Earth save one in rape. Wonder why…
That is genuinely amazing. Did you actually just try and imply (through "wondering") that socialism is responsible for rape in Sweden?
Putting aside the transparent attempt to distract away from a pertinent point, you're completely and utterly wrong, as usual. Sweden's high rape reporting is due to a number of factors, including but not limited to:
Actually, you know what, you are right. Sweden's socialist government and culture has led to these three factors, so socialism has led to Sweden's high reported rape rate, to positive ends. Well done, your hateful dirge inadvertently hit on something.
The big questions are how did Greece reach such dire straits and how to prevent it for them and for everybody in the future? In other words, we must learn from experience or else we will repeat it. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
I saw a new take on that the other day; those who remember the past are doomed to watch everyone else repeat it.
He said the Greek people would be sure to remember it. That seems to imply the act is closer to Mother Teresa rather than just a company after a little good PR and hoping to be able to auto-bill those customers again soon enough.
Empathy is a tool; I use it, it is not my master.
A few years ago I was experiencing daily pain, which interfered with my ability to live a normal life. I had the option of putting up with it or having surgery to treat the issue. The surgery left me largely incapacitated for a week, and I had months of recovery ahead. Now I'm fine.
Greece is the same way; they can either keep delaying the inevitable, making it worse (if I'd gotten it taken care of earlier the surgery and recovery would have been much less difficult), or they can go through the pain now and come out better for it on the other side. It takes empathy and compassion to recognize when someone needs to pass through a trial themselves; it would not be compassionate to prolong suffering.
PS: Using profanity to make your points weakens your argument; profanity is a childish tool, not something to be found in the vocabulary of a civilized adult.
Stop using the "profanity" accusation as a crutch to pretend that you're somehow superior in maturity. Would "screwed" 6 ways to Sunday be better for you? It's a damn expression. Speaking of childishness, there's nothing more childish than that simplistic analogy you just espoused, pretending to make some kind of meaningful statement. No, nothing from what he said made me think of Mother Teresa. Unfortunately, false sensationalism, absurd analogies, and logical fallacies are the only tools in your arsenal. There's also nothing in your post that has any bearing no why Apple shouldn't give a shred of goodwill to people who have been paying for the service, and got it interrupted through no fault of their own, which you seem offended by. There's nothing "civilized" about any of that, no matter how much you wish you were.
So as long as no humans of any political inclination are allowed to involve themselves in any way, socialism works pretty well.
I think that’s the best description of the process that I’ve ever seen.
You want a silver bullet? Okay: destroy fiat currency and return to a currency backed by, well, silver.
It did not work that well in Imperial Rome.
Check out Rome's Capitolin Museums currency collection, btw, it's awesome. You'll see how Emperors had very similar problems to ours, even with a currency based on Silver, then Gold.
That is genuinely amazing. Did you actually just try and imply (through "wondering") that socialism is responsible for rape in Sweden?
Most definitely. Europe's leftwing turncoats are responsible for their failed experiment called "multiculturalism", and these leftwing socialists and destroyers of western society are definitely responsible for the high rape rates in Sweden. There are numerous articles that have been written about this topic.
Most definitely. Europe's leftwing turncoats are responsible for their failed experiment called "multiculturalism", and these leftwing socialists and destroyers of western society are definitely responsible for the high rape rates in Sweden. There are numerous articles that have been written about this topic.
Sure. Because all the immigrants in Europe go to Sweden. Obviously you're right and that must be the reason.
Seriously, do you apply any intellectual rigour at all to this nonsense?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372
Appreciate the honest answer. The point is, you wouldn't just point and go, "wheee, a socialist who should be held accountable for his actions."
Why is your answer different with Greece?
You simply evaded the question. If I took out the words "..to death" out of my post, it is not a non sequitur at all.
Pitiful! Why not extend it to every person in the world who is, or thinks they have financial problems? If you can't afford the luxuries of life, do without them. This is a great lesson for Greece and everyone who gets into credit card debt.
The problem is not just money, is means to pay; currency is basically locked inside the country.
My history of the era isn't too good but didn't Greece vote along with other countries to allow Germany's debit to be written off after WWII? This after Greece was brutalized beyond belief by the Germans too. Somewhat of a worse offense than 'having financial problems' when you think about it.
That along with Marshall Plan, $120 Billion in today's money, from the USA got Germany going again. Sometimes helping out works quite well in the long run. If not for those actions of help, Germany would be an impoverished nation probably begging for a hand out today. That or they'd have started WWIII by now.
The difference is GREEKS DON'T WANT TO CHANGE. THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT REFORMS.
They already got a debt reduction and huge loan package before.
Why loan more, cut more debt, when there is not one inkling of effort to make your country competitive.
Some people say their net balance is now positive... (sic); only using very creative accounting...
If they'd actually started reforms like they promised 5 years ago; the ECB and others would probably advance money no question.
They got money and did nothing; see the problem.
There is a massive credibility gap here.
The current government likes to say lot of crap, but in the end,
when in 5 years they need more money, he'll come running back with another sob story
pointing fingers (the middle one...) and looking for more cash.
You can bank on it.
I always find it funny when I hear creditor this, creditor that; well the creditor right now are the Euro countries and those countries have democratically elected governments whose electors are starting to be pretty pissed off. Why? Greece did no substantial reform.
So, you think those "evil creditors"/people of the EU, should just say, what the hell, its just another $500, I can spare that!
Wouldn't that money be better spent helping poor people in Syria, Africa, Asia, or whatever? What makes Greeks so special!
As for Germany being impoverished. I don't think so.
Its Geography, education, work ethic, culture, made it probable it would rise again.
Not to mention Geopolitics of the time and that Germany, unlike Greece, is consequential (then and now).
IT would have just taken 20 years instead of 8.
The only thing that could have made them truly empoverished for 40 years is if they'd dismanteled all of German industry as reparation for war losses (like some in the US wanted). Even then, I'd still would have bet on Germany to come out better than Greece.
One thing you also forgot. The reason the US invested in Germany... The Cold war. They wanted a strong Germany in the center of Europe in the face of the USSR. That kind of factors doesn't really exists anymore. The US didn't do all that giving from the bottom of their heart, it was in their best interest strategically to do it.
Oh My God!! Are you really that stupid? This must be one of the most idiotic and hateful comments I have ever seen on AI. Please tell us that you are suffering from a congenital mental defect caused by multiple generations of inbreeding. That is the only explanation that could possibly mitigate the idiocy you have demonstrated on this forum.
Before embarrassing yourself further and displaying any more of your child like ignorance, I suggest that you educate yourself before replying to me.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
In fact, the Soviets very nearly DID land on the moon about two weeks ahead of Apollo 11, but a catastrophic failure of the N1 rocket destroyed the launch pad and delayed the whole program by at least two years, which ultimately resulted in cancellation, since the moon landings were purely political and nobody in charge actually cared about the science much.