" The water the home-entertainment industry is treading is getting Blu-er.
That?s the news that came out of an Entertainment Merchants Association report this week about U.S. consumer spending on DVDs.
Studios celebrating Sony?s Blu-ray victory in the high-definition DVD format war in February were validated by an EMA estimate that spending on Blu-ray discs will overtake standard-disc sales by 2012. EMA said Blu-ray disc revenue will surge to $9.5 billion by then, up from $260 million last year. "
I hope Blu-Ray starts to save the PS3 soon for the gamers' sake. Xbox360 is still a better option for gaming but competition keeps things going for us.
In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.
The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.
I hope Blu-Ray starts to save the PS3 soon for the gamers' sake. Xbox360 is still a better option for gaming but competition keeps things going for us.
In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.
The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.
it's funny isn't it? sony threw everything into the PS3 but somehow forgot to include great games
the cell- crap for gaming, blu-ray-crap for gaming, online-crap for gaming
but hell they'll continue to introduce things like "Sony Life" so you can check the weather when you turn on your console
it's funny isn't it? sony threw everything into the PS3 but somehow forgot to include great games
the cell- crap for gaming, blu-ray-crap for gaming, online-crap for gaming
but hell they'll continue to introduce things like "Sony Life" so you can check the weather when you turn on your console
Well, it looks good on paper though. I'm still confused why they would develop the system that way without consulting game developers. But as it stands now for most games is that they are developed for the 360 then ported to PS3. There is more money to be had when it is a cross platform venture.
[ooks good on paper[/I] though. I'm still confused why they would develop the system that way without consulting game developers. But as it stands now for most games is that they are developed for the 360 then ported to PS3. There is more money to be had when it is a cross platform venture.
Sony made the same dumb decision with the PS2. It was a crappy platform for writing games.
But with the PS2, the decision worked. Companies had to bite the bullet and spend money to develop on PS2. There wasn't a credible alternative platform.
This time round, the 360 was a credible alternative. It takes longer and costs more to create a PS3 version. So naturally developers favor the 360.
Cool. Now those wedding videographers can stop whining.
No we can't. I've had a Blu-ray burner in my Mac Pro for 2 months now. This is nothing new. We still have no authoring tools. I have to jump through hoops using parallels and Windows to put anything out on Blu-ray, or shell out $750 for Premiere just for Encore. Apple has yet to offer us anything. Believe me, we can keep whining. We can whine and gripe to an extent that will put the biggest HDDVD Zealots of old to shame. [/frustrated rant]
The big problem in the United States is we don't have enough bandwidth to really drive content through the Internet and our pipes. Japan has much better pipes, so does Korea, so does Europe. So it's still experimental. we hope to do more in the future, and it's the first one. We're going to try and see what happens.
Quote:
Looking ahead, you're only just getting into Blu-ray. How do you see the future penetration of the format compared with DVD?
Glasgow: That's a good question. DVD took 10 years to really penetrate. We're now in the second year of Blu-ray. My guess is it will probably happen a little quicker in terms of penetration. The pricing is already coming down more quickly than DVD came down. I don't think it will take as long as 10 years, but I don't think it will penetrate to the same percentage because there's a couple of conflicting forces. Certainly, people that want the best picture are going to want it, without a doubt. People that are OK with upconverting DVD players, which is somewhere close to 600, 650, maybe 700 (lines of resolution)--that's not a bad picture either. So a lot of people may be happy with an upconverting DVD player. And (Blu-ray) may not turn over, it may not penetrate to the same extent, because (DVD) was such a big medium change from tape.
But I see it being the major format. It's won the war, that's done. Now it's a matter of: Can we provide an exceptional experience? Can we provide a social part? And can we involve the overall community in, let's say, designing applets and coming up with new things that we can't even think of today?
That clip is from before the systems were even released. The suggested Carmack Scenario is merely a guy who didn't want to learn something new. Boo Hoo.
That clip is from before the systems were even released. The suggested Carmack Scenario is merely a guy who didn't want to learn something new. Boo Hoo.
It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.
It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.
It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GTA4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months. **corrected** GT4 -> GTA4
Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.
It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.
It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.
It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.
Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.
C.
Careful, people here don't like to learn the truth about their $600 investment.
It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.
It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.
It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.
Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.
C.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elixir
Careful, people here don't like to learn the truth about their $600 investment.
Comments
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/06/b...piece_of_t.php
Blu-ray Takes Bigger Piece of the Pie
" The water the home-entertainment industry is treading is getting Blu-er.
That?s the news that came out of an Entertainment Merchants Association report this week about U.S. consumer spending on DVDs.
Studios celebrating Sony?s Blu-ray victory in the high-definition DVD format war in February were validated by an EMA estimate that spending on Blu-ray discs will overtake standard-disc sales by 2012. EMA said Blu-ray disc revenue will surge to $9.5 billion by then, up from $260 million last year. "
So it really sounds like BR has caught on!
And fast!
From Yahoo News:
SONY HAS LOST OVER 3 BILLION ON THE PS3
Excerpt:
In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a
The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.
I hope Blu-Ray starts to save the PS3 soon for the gamers' sake. Xbox360 is still a better option for gaming but competition keeps things going for us.
From Yahoo News:
SONY HAS LOST OVER 3 BILLION ON THE PS3
Excerpt:
In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a
The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.
it's funny isn't it? sony threw everything into the PS3 but somehow forgot to include great games
the cell- crap for gaming, blu-ray-crap for gaming, online-crap for gaming
but hell they'll continue to introduce things like "Sony Life" so you can check the weather when you turn on your console
No, that's not fanboyism. That's just idiotic.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8
it's funny isn't it? sony threw everything into the PS3 but somehow forgot to include great games
the cell- crap for gaming, blu-ray-crap for gaming, online-crap for gaming
but hell they'll continue to introduce things like "Sony Life" so you can check the weather when you turn on your console
Well, it looks good on paper though. I'm still confused why they would develop the system that way without consulting game developers. But as it stands now for most games is that they are developed for the 360 then ported to PS3. There is more money to be had when it is a cross platform venture.
Oh yeah. That's not filled with fanboyism or anything.
No, that's not fanboyism. That's just idiotic.
no, not at all, what you talking about? ::runs away giggling::
See? It IS good for somethign!
[ooks good on paper[/I] though. I'm still confused why they would develop the system that way without consulting game developers. But as it stands now for most games is that they are developed for the 360 then ported to PS3. There is more money to be had when it is a cross platform venture.
Sony made the same dumb decision with the PS2. It was a crappy platform for writing games.
But with the PS2, the decision worked. Companies had to bite the bullet and spend money to develop on PS2. There wasn't a credible alternative platform.
This time round, the 360 was a credible alternative. It takes longer and costs more to create a PS3 version. So naturally developers favor the 360.
C.
http://www.mcetech.com/blu-ray/index.html
MCE Tech has an internal Blu-Ray recorder designed specifically for MacPros...
Cool. Now those wedding videographers can stop whining.
So did MCE write their own drivers, or did Leopard silently add BR capabilities?
Cool. Now those wedding videographers can stop whining.
No we can't. I've had a Blu-ray burner in my Mac Pro for 2 months now. This is nothing new. We still have no authoring tools. I have to jump through hoops using parallels and Windows to put anything out on Blu-ray, or shell out $750 for Premiere just for Encore. Apple has yet to offer us anything. Believe me, we can keep whining. We can whine and gripe to an extent that will put the biggest HDDVD Zealots of old to shame. [/frustrated rant]
But apparently, Sony now believes in the future of downloads. Interesting.
Well here's what Sony is saying about the future of entertainment.
Sony's Stan Glasgow talks TVs, Blu-ray
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-99...l?tag=nefd.top
The big problem in the United States is we don't have enough bandwidth to really drive content through the Internet and our pipes. Japan has much better pipes, so does Korea, so does Europe. So it's still experimental. we hope to do more in the future, and it's the first one. We're going to try and see what happens.
Looking ahead, you're only just getting into Blu-ray. How do you see the future penetration of the format compared with DVD?
Glasgow: That's a good question. DVD took 10 years to really penetrate. We're now in the second year of Blu-ray. My guess is it will probably happen a little quicker in terms of penetration. The pricing is already coming down more quickly than DVD came down. I don't think it will take as long as 10 years, but I don't think it will penetrate to the same percentage because there's a couple of conflicting forces. Certainly, people that want the best picture are going to want it, without a doubt. People that are OK with upconverting DVD players, which is somewhere close to 600, 650, maybe 700 (lines of resolution)--that's not a bad picture either. So a lot of people may be happy with an upconverting DVD player. And (Blu-ray) may not turn over, it may not penetrate to the same extent, because (DVD) was such a big medium change from tape.
But I see it being the major format. It's won the war, that's done. Now it's a matter of: Can we provide an exceptional experience? Can we provide a social part? And can we involve the overall community in, let's say, designing applets and coming up with new things that we can't even think of today?
Here is ID Software's John Carmack explaining the development scenario for the PS3 vs the 360:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_PFUw29U4J8
...........
That clip is from before the systems were even released. The suggested Carmack Scenario is merely a guy who didn't want to learn something new. Boo Hoo.
That clip is from before the systems were even released. The suggested Carmack Scenario is merely a guy who didn't want to learn something new. Boo Hoo.
It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.
It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.
It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GTA4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months. **corrected** GT4 -> GTA4
Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.
C.
It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.
It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.
It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.
Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.
C.
Careful, people here don't like to learn the truth about their $600 investment.
It has nothing to do with how hard it is to learn.
It's about cost of development and the speed of development.
The PS3 costs more to make the same game as a 360.
The PS3 takes longer to make the same game as the 360.
It's especially bad for companies who roll their own technology.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.
Game development is a business. You spend money to create a game. And then hopefully earn that money back. The PS3 is bad for that business because it costs more to make a PS3 game than it can earn back.
C.
Careful, people here don't like to learn the truth about their $600 investment.
Your both diluted.
We saw GT4 delayed because the PS3 version was trailing the 360 version by 6 months.
GT4? when was Gran Turismo 4 EVER going to come out for the xbox, it's a PS2 game anyway. please TRY and get your facts straight.