Actually, it did. Dedicated HD DVD players outsold dedicated Blu-Ray players essentially 2:1. What did it for Blu-Ray was that a certain popular game console included a Blu-Ray player for free, and who the hell ain't going to buy higher quality movies if your game console can play them? Free is the best price of all.
It is still working. If you remember to remove the free give away blu-ray players. The HD-DVD players are still outselling Blu-ray standalone players, but when you start counting free give aways, you can't really compete with that. Free players are even better than cheap players to consumers.
Actually, it did. Dedicated HD DVD players outsold dedicated Blu-Ray players essentially 2:1. What did it for Blu-Ray was that a certain popular game console included a Blu-Ray player for free, and who the hell ain't going to buy higher quality movies if your game console can play them? Free is the best price of all.
Everyone I know who purchased a PS3 primarily bought it for the cheap Blu-ray player. The ability to play games on it was a secondary concern.
It is still working. If you remember to remove the free give away blu-ray players. The HD-DVD players are still outselling Blu-ray standalone players, but when you start counting free give aways, you can't really compete with that. Free players are even better than cheap players to consumers.
HD DVD also had promotions as well, along with giveaways as well. 5 free movies, 7 free movies, 10 free movies, free Xbox 360 add-ons, etc.
So while picture you paint is somewhat true, it is not entirely true, as both sides have promotions...just so happens Blu-ray is better at this too.
BTW, to be more accurate, the Blu-ray players aren't quite "free" as you have to by a $1,000+ HDTV that has the cost of the player in it. It just sounds "free" when we all know better than that.
Why would they spend $3 million on a super bowl ad if they were not making any more players?
If they had 100,000.00 players or more in inventory, or in the pipeline already. Or, the fact that their customers are threatening to take all the players of the shelves. They already lost circuit city, target, and I think Best Buy is already taking them off the shelves. $100 per player is $10 million dollars. Spending 3 million to recoup $2 million is another way of saving face. They don't want to be stuck with shipping costs on all the returns, and being stuck with a warehouse full of useless players either. You wanna talk about looking bad. That would be bad.
If they had 100,000.00 players or more in inventory, or in the pipeline already. Or, the fact that their customers are threatening to take all the players of the shelves. They already lost circuit city, target, and I think Best Buy is already taking them off the shelves. $100 per player is $10 million dollars. Spending 3 million to recoup $2 million is another way of saving face. They don't want to be stuck with shipping costs on all the returns, and being stuck with a warehouse full of useless players either. You wanna talk about looking bad. That would be bad.
Onlooker, I've ignored the "clearing out the inventory" posts because I didn't think it was worth the time to comment on the ridiculous assertion. But you seem to be taking this as fact.
You are saying that Toshiba has made a decision to kill off HD-DVD and is clearing out inventory under the guise of marketing the format as a going concern.
You are aware that such actions would open them up to all kinds of class action litigation right?
Onlooker, I've ignored the "clearing out the inventory" posts because I didn't think it was worth the time to comment on the ridiculous assertion. But you seem to be taking this as fact.
You are saying that Toshiba has made a decision to kill off HD-DVD and is clearing out inventory under the guise of marketing the format as a going concern.
You are aware that such actions would open them up to all kinds of class action litigation right?
I'm under the same impression as Onlooker. Companies start and stop production all the time. Couldn't Toshiba simply say it hopes to spark increased sales and desire for HD-DVD? Others are still selling the units and their associated media.
I'm under the same impression as Onlooker. Companies start and stop production all the time. Couldn't Toshiba simply say it hopes to spark increased sales and desire for HD-DVD?
Yes, but if one American lawyer got their hands on a stop production order prior to the Superbowl commercial Toshiba would be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars in potential settlement costs and legal fees.
It is still working. If you remember to remove the free give away blu-ray players. The HD-DVD players are still outselling Blu-ray standalone players, but when you start counting free give aways, you can't really compete with that. Free players are even better than cheap players to consumers.
What about the FREE players Tosh are/were giving away when you bought 3 then 5 then 7 discs?
when you START counting them, remember to count them all .. do I get to call YOU "fanboy" now?
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I really should read further down the thread sometimes
Yes, but if one American lawyer got their hands on a stop production order prior to the Superbowl commercial Toshiba would be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars in potential settlement costs and legal fees.
That would REALLY help HD-DVD wouldn't it?
So before is bad, but after is ok then?
Funny how I get the impression if it was Sony, Panasonic, LG, Samsung or Sharp, you would be clucking for that?
Everyone I know who purchased a PS3 primarily bought it for the cheap Blu-ray player. The ability to play games on it was a secondary concern.
Do you know anyone besides yourself who bought a PS3?
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Only in FUD town USA, the rest of the world dont really know what HD-DVD is.
And what is the number of dedicated Blu-Ray players sold outside the United States? I'm guessing not many, considering you or Marz have never bragged about some worldwide figure beyond the PS3. An HDM player is a luxury accessory for a luxury item (HDTV), and beyond Americans most people in the world aren't able or willing to be that financially irresponsible. Case in point: the United States alone accounts for 1/3 of worldwide PS3 sales. Methinks the other 2/3 accounts for Blu-Ray's 9:1 lead in HDM sales outside the US; beyond PS3 owners who might as well buy HDM content because their game console can use it, I'd wager HDM is almost virtually non-existent. Hell, that's true for the United States, too \
Do you know anyone besides yourself who bought a PS3?
Six people directly and around 4 through other people. The 6 I know also have Wiis which that play more. Though not as much as they play WoW, on both Macs and PC. These people are gamers but seem to be more intrigued with the graphics of the game than the games themselves.
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That strategy didn't really help Toshiba.
Actually, it did. Dedicated HD DVD players outsold dedicated Blu-Ray players essentially 2:1. What did it for Blu-Ray was that a certain popular game console included a Blu-Ray player for free, and who the hell ain't going to buy higher quality movies if your game console can play them? Free is the best price of all.
That strategy didn't really help Toshiba.
It is still working. If you remember to remove the free give away blu-ray players. The HD-DVD players are still outselling Blu-ray standalone players, but when you start counting free give aways, you can't really compete with that. Free players are even better than cheap players to consumers.
Actually, it did. Dedicated HD DVD players outsold dedicated Blu-Ray players essentially 2:1. What did it for Blu-Ray was that a certain popular game console included a Blu-Ray player for free, and who the hell ain't going to buy higher quality movies if your game console can play them? Free is the best price of all.
Everyone I know who purchased a PS3 primarily bought it for the cheap Blu-ray player. The ability to play games on it was a secondary concern.
Everyone I know who purchased a PS3 primarily bought it for the cheap Blu-ray player. The ability to play games on it was a secondary concern.
Of course. Playing games is what the Wii is for. Everyone knows that.
<ducks and runs for cover>
It is still working. If you remember to remove the free give away blu-ray players. The HD-DVD players are still outselling Blu-ray standalone players, but when you start counting free give aways, you can't really compete with that. Free players are even better than cheap players to consumers.
HD DVD also had promotions as well, along with giveaways as well. 5 free movies, 7 free movies, 10 free movies, free Xbox 360 add-ons, etc.
So while picture you paint is somewhat true, it is not entirely true, as both sides have promotions...just so happens Blu-ray is better at this too.
BTW, to be more accurate, the Blu-ray players aren't quite "free" as you have to by a $1,000+ HDTV that has the cost of the player in it. It just sounds "free" when we all know better than that.
02-04-08 Manga Films Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
02-01-08 ADV Films Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-31-08 Highlight Video (Germany) Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 National Geographic Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 EMI (Japan) Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 Sonic Solutions Scenarist Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-28-08 Woolworths Retail Outlet (UK) goes Blu-ray exclusive in store.
01-22-08 Grant's Appliances to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-16-08 Senator Entertainment to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-16-08 Digital Playground to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-11-08 Constantin Film goes Blu-ray exclusive.
01-10-08 HBO goes Blu-ray exclusive.
01-05-08 New Line goes Blu-ray exclusive.
01-04-08 Warner goes Blu-ray exclusive.
Why would they spend $3 million on a super bowl ad if they were not making any more players?
If they had 100,000.00 players or more in inventory, or in the pipeline already. Or, the fact that their customers are threatening to take all the players of the shelves. They already lost circuit city, target, and I think Best Buy is already taking them off the shelves. $100 per player is $10 million dollars. Spending 3 million to recoup $2 million is another way of saving face. They don't want to be stuck with shipping costs on all the returns, and being stuck with a warehouse full of useless players either. You wanna talk about looking bad. That would be bad.
If they had 100,000.00 players or more in inventory, or in the pipeline already. Or, the fact that their customers are threatening to take all the players of the shelves. They already lost circuit city, target, and I think Best Buy is already taking them off the shelves. $100 per player is $10 million dollars. Spending 3 million to recoup $2 million is another way of saving face. They don't want to be stuck with shipping costs on all the returns, and being stuck with a warehouse full of useless players either. You wanna talk about looking bad. That would be bad.
Onlooker, I've ignored the "clearing out the inventory" posts because I didn't think it was worth the time to comment on the ridiculous assertion. But you seem to be taking this as fact.
You are saying that Toshiba has made a decision to kill off HD-DVD and is clearing out inventory under the guise of marketing the format as a going concern.
You are aware that such actions would open them up to all kinds of class action litigation right?
Onlooker, I've ignored the "clearing out the inventory" posts because I didn't think it was worth the time to comment on the ridiculous assertion. But you seem to be taking this as fact.
You are saying that Toshiba has made a decision to kill off HD-DVD and is clearing out inventory under the guise of marketing the format as a going concern.
You are aware that such actions would open them up to all kinds of class action litigation right?
I'm under the same impression as Onlooker. Companies start and stop production all the time. Couldn't Toshiba simply say it hopes to spark increased sales and desire for HD-DVD? Others are still selling the units and their associated media.
Its not my "cause" sonny.
Well, sonny from here you really come across that way.
I'm under the same impression as Onlooker. Companies start and stop production all the time. Couldn't Toshiba simply say it hopes to spark increased sales and desire for HD-DVD?
Yes, but if one American lawyer got their hands on a stop production order prior to the Superbowl commercial Toshiba would be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars in potential settlement costs and legal fees.
Actually, it did. Dedicated HD DVD players outsold dedicated Blu-Ray players essentially 2:1.
Only in FUD town USA, the rest of the world dont really know what HD-DVD is.
It is still working. If you remember to remove the free give away blu-ray players. The HD-DVD players are still outselling Blu-ray standalone players, but when you start counting free give aways, you can't really compete with that. Free players are even better than cheap players to consumers.
What about the FREE players Tosh are/were giving away when you bought 3 then 5 then 7 discs?
when you START counting them, remember to count them all .. do I get to call YOU "fanboy" now?
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I really should read further down the thread sometimes
In other words, you didn't have any real news to post, so you thought you'd recycle everything the thread has already covered?
um.. did you have any HD-DVD news to post?
Well, sonny from here you really come across that way.
You must be new to this thread "Dad"
Yes, but if one American lawyer got their hands on a stop production order prior to the Superbowl commercial Toshiba would be on the hook for tens of millions of dollars in potential settlement costs and legal fees.
That would REALLY help HD-DVD wouldn't it?
So before is bad, but after is ok then?
Funny how I get the impression if it was Sony, Panasonic, LG, Samsung or Sharp, you would be clucking for that?
Everyone I know who purchased a PS3 primarily bought it for the cheap Blu-ray player. The ability to play games on it was a secondary concern.
Do you know anyone besides yourself who bought a PS3?
Only in FUD town USA, the rest of the world dont really know what HD-DVD is.
And what is the number of dedicated Blu-Ray players sold outside the United States? I'm guessing not many, considering you or Marz have never bragged about some worldwide figure beyond the PS3. An HDM player is a luxury accessory for a luxury item (HDTV), and beyond Americans most people in the world aren't able or willing to be that financially irresponsible. Case in point: the United States alone accounts for 1/3 of worldwide PS3 sales. Methinks the other 2/3 accounts for Blu-Ray's 9:1 lead in HDM sales outside the US; beyond PS3 owners who might as well buy HDM content because their game console can use it, I'd wager HDM is almost virtually non-existent. Hell, that's true for the United States, too
Do you know anyone besides yourself who bought a PS3?
Six people directly and around 4 through other people. The 6 I know also have Wiis which that play more. Though not as much as they play WoW, on both Macs and PC. These people are gamers but seem to be more intrigued with the graphics of the game than the games themselves.
You must be new to this thread "Dad"
Nope not at all " Green Horn ".