In other words, you didn't have any real news to post, so you thought you'd recycle everything the thread has already covered?
02-04-08 Manga Films Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
02-01-08 ADV Films Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-31-08 Highlight Video (Germany) Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 National Geographic Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 EMI (Japan) Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-22-08 Grant's Appliances to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-16-08 Senator Entertainment to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-11-08 Constantin Film goes Blu-ray exclusive.
No real news to post? I guess that depends on what YOU consider real within your delusional world. And no, above, are the snippets that HAVEN'T been even mentioned on this thread (I took out the one's that had been mentioned). So, go take your recycled argument that you actually have anything substantial to share in regards to HD DVD and actually give us tangible evidence that they even have a shot--other than loose posturing of how price cuts will save them (hasn't worked yet), or attempting to marginalize the effect of the PS3 (which has stomped HD DVD), or attempting to marginalize the CONTINUED sales advantage FOR STANDALONE PLAYERS Blu-ray has with again loose posturing about promotions (when HD DVD has promotions as well).
You fail in all your posturing, just as HD DVD has failed in this format war. You'd think with all those failures you'd actually learn something from those failures. So much for thinking!
The xBox 360 HD DVD add-on is now $129. Honestly, this seems far too little too late to me. Microsoft should either make the drive standard config, or pull the thing from store shelves and raise the white flag. For the studios to swing back HD DVDs way, there would have to be a serious influx in HD DVD owners in the next few months.
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No real news to post? I guess that depends on what YOU consider real within your delusional world. And no, above, are the snippets that HAVEN'T been even mentioned on this thread (I took out the one's that had been mentioned). So, go take your recycled argument that you actually have anything substantial to share in regards to HD DVD and actually give us tangible evidence that they even have a shot--other than loose posturing of how price cuts will save them (hasn't worked yet), or attempting to marginalize the effect of the PS3 (which has stomped HD DVD), or attempting to marginalize the CONTINUED sales advantage FOR STANDALONE PLAYERS Blu-ray has with again loose posturing about promotions (when HD DVD has promotions as well).
You fail in all your posturing, just as HD DVD has failed in this format war. You'd think with all those failures you'd actually learn something from those failures. So much for thinking!
You know Marz, if you spent half as much time working as you do being a Blu-Ray cheerleader, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-Ray player. It's not like your format of choice is winning based on its merits, so I don't know what you're so cocky about.
The xBox 360 HD DVD add-on is now $129. Honestly, this seems far too little too late to me. Microsoft should either make the drive standard config, or pull the thing from store shelves and raise the white flag. For the studios to swing back HD DVDs way, there would have to be a serious influx in HD DVD owners in the next few months.
You know Marz, if you spent half as much time working as you do being a Blu-Ray cheerleader, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-Ray player. It's not like your format of choice is winning based on its merits, so I don't know what you're so cocky about.
You know Cory, if you spent half as much time coming up with a reasonable, logical argument for HD DVD as you do with FUD you spew and with your preoccupation with MY finances, you'd actually realize that this isn't about what I buy or don't buy. Your obsession with what I do with my money is baseless, and rather a bit off task. It doesn't suprise me though that you have to go this route, when the well of HD DVD talking points has dried up.
BTW, I'm not being cocky. This is what YOU CHOSE to interpret my last post as. There is no reason for me to be cocky. I just want one format, and if that means continually showing where HD DVD fanboy logic errs, then so be it. It's not about being cocky, it is about REASONING with people with your mindset on why you are right or wrong on certain aspects of the format war. It's called debate, and a debate you are losing, but are too stubborn to admit it.
You know Cory, if you spent half as much time coming up with a reasonable, logical argument for HD DVD...
An argument for HD DVD? With only two of six major studios behind it? Sorry, there are no good arguments for HD DVD at this juncture. And as much as I'd like to immediately embrace the leading format, it's neither feature-complete or reasonably-priced at this time (in fact, prices have been going up since Warner's announcement). Hence the frustration. Your weekly listings of no-name studios supporting Blu-Ray, no-name retailers dropping HD DVD, and HDM pie charts do nothing to improve Blu-Ray's present shortcomings.
Listen to the pundits (including yours truly) and you would think that Blu-ray had already won the high-def disc format war. Some publications (again, including this one) have predicted that the war will officially be over by year's end.
It's easy to make such declarations. Five major studios are now supporting Blu-ray, compared to two for HD DVD. And new sales figures show that Blu-ray player and disc sales are easily outpacing HD DVD.
While it's difficult now to see how HD DVD can compete in the long run, things do change. Just ask this year's candidates for president.
So, here are five ways that HD DVD can survive in the high-def format war in 2008 -- and beyond
1. Get the Endorsement of a Major Studio
Warner Bros.' decision last month to endorse Blu-ray exclusively was a major blow to HD DVD. However, if Toshiba, the biggest supporter of HD DVD, could persuade one of the Blu-ray studios to switch sides, it would change the dynamic of the contest.
Odds: 20-1.
Worried about declining DVD sales, the studios are anxious to end this war and, therefore, are unlikely to do anything now that might prolong it.
2. Keep Paramount and Universal On Board
Paramount and Universal are the only two major studios now that are backing HD DVD exclusively -- but there are rumors that they will switch to Blu-ray in the coming weeks. If that happens, the game is over. It's critical that HD DVD keep the studios in place.
Odds: 10-1.
Both Paramount and Universal can read the sales figures as well as anyone. It will be hard for them to continue to ignore the growing Blu-ray audience.
3. Drop the HD DVD Player Price to $49
Toshiba recently lowered the price of the entry-level HD DVD player to $149, but if it really wants to generate sales quickly, it could drop the price to $49. That would make the HD DVD player roughly the price of a cheap standard-def DVD player, which could entice the average buyer.
Odds: 8-1.
Toshiba is already taking a beating on current HD DVD players, offering prices below what it takes to manufacture and distribute them. It would have to invest even more to drop the price to under $100.
4. Get CE Companies to Drop the Price of Dual-Format PlayersIf Toshiba could persuade LG and Samsung to offer their dual-format players (they play both Blu-ray and HD DVD) for under $300, it might trigger new interest among consumers. The dual-format prices now start around $799.
Odds: 25-1.
That would be a big, big price drop. Probably too costly for the companies involved.
5. Get Sony to Support Dual-Format Players
Sony is the leading supporter of the Blu-ray format. If Toshiba could persuade Sony to support the dual-format player -- in return for Sony getting a significant share of future HD DVD profits -- it would allow both formats to exist indefinitely. Rather than manufacture single-format players, CE companies would start working on dual-format players. Under that scenario, the studios could then start releasing titles in both formats because both sides would support a dual-format approach.
Odds: 100-1.
The studios know that the dual-format idea would still confuse many consumers, which would slow acceptance of the new high-def disc. While the Sony-Toshiba deal would bring peace, it might do so at the expense of future growth.
So, bottom line: HD DVD isn't dead, but the shovels are out.
Say, who said I'm not fair and balanced in my posts. This is simply stuff that needs to be done by HD DVD if it is to survive.
Not going to happen. The Titanic couldn't get new investors once it started sinking, neither can HD-DVD.
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2. Keep Paramount and Universal On Board
They can encourage them to stay on-board but eventually they will will be Blu-ray exclusive.
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3. Drop the HD DVD Player Price to $49
Too low and it looks suspcious, like with the constant lowering of the price.
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4. Get CE Companies to Drop the Price of Dual-Format Players
Dual-HD-format players cost more to build and they aren't going to pony up the cost now. jsut to sell a more expensive product that will compete with companes offering a cheaper Blu-ray-only solution.
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5. Get Sony to Support Dual-Format Players
HAHA Sony needs Blu-ray to win for several reasons. There is no benefit to them for propping up HD-DVD.
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So, bottom line: HD DVD isn't dead, but the shovels are out.
You're right, HD-DVD isn't dead, but it is Terri Schiavo. It's not going to recover.
I see only one option for HD-DVD.
? Create Skynet; Go back in time and add HD-DVD to all XBOX 360s; Send a Terminator to hunt and destroy every PS3.
Onlooker, I've ignored the "clearing out the inventory" posts because I didn't think it was worth the time to comment on the ridiculous assertion. But you seem to be taking this as fact.
You are saying that Toshiba has made a decision to kill off HD-DVD and is clearing out inventory under the guise of marketing the format as a going concern.
You are aware that such actions would open them up to all kinds of class action litigation right?
What class action litigation? Toshiba has already stated that all HD-DVD players are now to be sold as DVD up converters. If there is a dead in the water second format attached to those players it's no longer their problem.
I wouldn't get it. #1 it's going to be a waste. Microsoft will have to have a BD add on eventually, so anyone that orders this thing is just wasting their time and money.
Not going to happen. The Titanic couldn't get new investors once it started sinking, neither can HD-DVD.
They can encourage them to stay on-board but eventually they will will be Blu-ray exclusive.
Too low and it looks suspcious, like with the constant lowering of the price.
Dual-HD-format players cost more to build and they aren't going to pony up the cost now. jsut to sell a more expensive product that will compete with companes offering a cheaper Blu-ray-only solution.
HAHA Sony needs Blu-ray to win for several reasons. There is no benefit to them for propping up HD-DVD.
You're right, HD-DVD isn't dead, but it is Terri Schiavo. It's not going to recover.
I see only one option for HD-DVD.
? Create Skynet; Go back in time and add HD-DVD to all XBOX 360s; Send a Terminator to hunt and destroy every PS3.
LOL! Now that was funny. Had a good laugh at your last statement there <insert tear>...quality stuff, kudos.
it isn't a good deal when you can't hear the movie due to the loudness of the machine running it.
The xBox 360 does not run fans a'blazin' while watching movies. During HD DVD playback, the noise of the machine is about 1/20th that of when it's running a game.
The xBox 360 does not run fans a'blazin' while watching movies. During HD DVD playback, the noise of the machine is about 1/20th that of when it's running a game.
There must have been something wrong with it. My HD DVD add-on doesn't make a sound, and the xBox stays as quiet as it does when you're just sitting at the dashboard.
You know Cory, if you spent half as much time coming up with a reasonable, logical argument for HD DVD as you do with FUD you spew and with your preoccupation with MY finances, you'd actually realize that this isn't about what I buy or don't buy. Your obsession with what I do with my money is baseless, and rather a bit off task. It doesn't suprise me though that you have to go this route, when the well of HD DVD talking points has dried up.
BTW, I'm not being cocky. This is what YOU CHOSE to interpret my last post as. There is no reason for me to be cocky. I just want one format, and if that means continually showing where HD DVD fanboy logic errs, then so be it. It's not about being cocky, it is about REASONING with people with your mindset on why you are right or wrong on certain aspects of the format war. It's called debate, and a debate you are losing, but are too stubborn to admit it.
you really area a fanboy. the bottom line has always been if HD-DVD got the support equal to that of Blurays it would have cleaned house, guaranteed.
the problem is and will always be that bluray came first, and the dvd group got stubborn and decided to create their own format. people resented this, a lot of people...
plus you have sony throwing buckets of cash at some of these studios and boom you have massive support for a crap standard that has yet to prove a damn thing.
I'm pretty sure HD DVD came first. Wasn't the whole voting rule change fiasco a result of BDA members not showing up to vote as a stalling tactic while the Blu-ray spec was 'finished?'
I'm pretty sure HD DVD came first. Wasn't the whole voting rule change fiasco a result of BDA members not showing up to vote as a stalling tactic while the Blu-ray spec was 'finished?'
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FAQ: What's next in HD video fracas?
http://www.news.com/FAQ-Whats-next-i...?tag=nefd.lede
In other words, you didn't have any real news to post, so you thought you'd recycle everything the thread has already covered?
02-04-08 Manga Films Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
02-01-08 ADV Films Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-31-08 Highlight Video (Germany) Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 National Geographic Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-30-08 EMI (Japan) Goes Blu-ray Exclusive
01-22-08 Grant's Appliances to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-16-08 Senator Entertainment to go Blu-ray exclusive in 2008.
01-11-08 Constantin Film goes Blu-ray exclusive.
No real news to post? I guess that depends on what YOU consider real within your delusional world. And no, above, are the snippets that HAVEN'T been even mentioned on this thread (I took out the one's that had been mentioned). So, go take your recycled argument that you actually have anything substantial to share in regards to HD DVD and actually give us tangible evidence that they even have a shot--other than loose posturing of how price cuts will save them (hasn't worked yet), or attempting to marginalize the effect of the PS3 (which has stomped HD DVD), or attempting to marginalize the CONTINUED sales advantage FOR STANDALONE PLAYERS Blu-ray has with again loose posturing about promotions (when HD DVD has promotions as well).
You fail in all your posturing, just as HD DVD has failed in this format war. You'd think with all those failures you'd actually learn something from those failures. So much for thinking!
No real news to post? I guess that depends on what YOU consider real within your delusional world. And no, above, are the snippets that HAVEN'T been even mentioned on this thread (I took out the one's that had been mentioned). So, go take your recycled argument that you actually have anything substantial to share in regards to HD DVD and actually give us tangible evidence that they even have a shot--other than loose posturing of how price cuts will save them (hasn't worked yet), or attempting to marginalize the effect of the PS3 (which has stomped HD DVD), or attempting to marginalize the CONTINUED sales advantage FOR STANDALONE PLAYERS Blu-ray has with again loose posturing about promotions (when HD DVD has promotions as well).
You fail in all your posturing, just as HD DVD has failed in this format war. You'd think with all those failures you'd actually learn something from those failures. So much for thinking!
You know Marz, if you spent half as much time working as you do being a Blu-Ray cheerleader, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-Ray player. It's not like your format of choice is winning based on its merits, so I don't know what you're so cocky about.
The xBox 360 HD DVD add-on is now $129. Honestly, this seems far too little too late to me. Microsoft should either make the drive standard config, or pull the thing from store shelves and raise the white flag. For the studios to swing back HD DVDs way, there would have to be a serious influx in HD DVD owners in the next few months.
You know Marz, if you spent half as much time working as you do being a Blu-Ray cheerleader, you might actually be able to afford a Blu-Ray player. It's not like your format of choice is winning based on its merits, so I don't know what you're so cocky about.
You know Cory, if you spent half as much time coming up with a reasonable, logical argument for HD DVD as you do with FUD you spew and with your preoccupation with MY finances, you'd actually realize that this isn't about what I buy or don't buy. Your obsession with what I do with my money is baseless, and rather a bit off task. It doesn't suprise me though that you have to go this route, when the well of HD DVD talking points has dried up.
BTW, I'm not being cocky. This is what YOU CHOSE to interpret my last post as. There is no reason for me to be cocky. I just want one format, and if that means continually showing where HD DVD fanboy logic errs, then so be it. It's not about being cocky, it is about REASONING with people with your mindset on why you are right or wrong on certain aspects of the format war. It's called debate, and a debate you are losing, but are too stubborn to admit it.
You know Cory, if you spent half as much time coming up with a reasonable, logical argument for HD DVD...
An argument for HD DVD? With only two of six major studios behind it? Sorry, there are no good arguments for HD DVD at this juncture. And as much as I'd like to immediately embrace the leading format, it's neither feature-complete or reasonably-priced at this time (in fact, prices have been going up since Warner's announcement). Hence the frustration. Your weekly listings of no-name studios supporting Blu-Ray, no-name retailers dropping HD DVD, and HDM pie charts do nothing to improve Blu-Ray's present shortcomings.
http://www.tvpredictions.com/hddvd020608.htm
Listen to the pundits (including yours truly) and you would think that Blu-ray had already won the high-def disc format war. Some publications (again, including this one) have predicted that the war will officially be over by year's end.
It's easy to make such declarations. Five major studios are now supporting Blu-ray, compared to two for HD DVD. And new sales figures show that Blu-ray player and disc sales are easily outpacing HD DVD.
While it's difficult now to see how HD DVD can compete in the long run, things do change. Just ask this year's candidates for president.
So, here are five ways that HD DVD can survive in the high-def format war in 2008 -- and beyond
1. Get the Endorsement of a Major Studio
Warner Bros.' decision last month to endorse Blu-ray exclusively was a major blow to HD DVD. However, if Toshiba, the biggest supporter of HD DVD, could persuade one of the Blu-ray studios to switch sides, it would change the dynamic of the contest.
Odds: 20-1.
Worried about declining DVD sales, the studios are anxious to end this war and, therefore, are unlikely to do anything now that might prolong it.
2. Keep Paramount and Universal On Board
Paramount and Universal are the only two major studios now that are backing HD DVD exclusively -- but there are rumors that they will switch to Blu-ray in the coming weeks. If that happens, the game is over. It's critical that HD DVD keep the studios in place.
Odds: 10-1.
Both Paramount and Universal can read the sales figures as well as anyone. It will be hard for them to continue to ignore the growing Blu-ray audience.
3. Drop the HD DVD Player Price to $49
Toshiba recently lowered the price of the entry-level HD DVD player to $149, but if it really wants to generate sales quickly, it could drop the price to $49. That would make the HD DVD player roughly the price of a cheap standard-def DVD player, which could entice the average buyer.
Odds: 8-1.
Toshiba is already taking a beating on current HD DVD players, offering prices below what it takes to manufacture and distribute them. It would have to invest even more to drop the price to under $100.
4. Get CE Companies to Drop the Price of Dual-Format PlayersIf Toshiba could persuade LG and Samsung to offer their dual-format players (they play both Blu-ray and HD DVD) for under $300, it might trigger new interest among consumers. The dual-format prices now start around $799.
Odds: 25-1.
That would be a big, big price drop. Probably too costly for the companies involved.
5. Get Sony to Support Dual-Format Players
Sony is the leading supporter of the Blu-ray format. If Toshiba could persuade Sony to support the dual-format player -- in return for Sony getting a significant share of future HD DVD profits -- it would allow both formats to exist indefinitely. Rather than manufacture single-format players, CE companies would start working on dual-format players. Under that scenario, the studios could then start releasing titles in both formats because both sides would support a dual-format approach.
Odds: 100-1.
The studios know that the dual-format idea would still confuse many consumers, which would slow acceptance of the new high-def disc. While the Sony-Toshiba deal would bring peace, it might do so at the expense of future growth.
So, bottom line: HD DVD isn't dead, but the shovels are out.
Say, who said I'm not fair and balanced in my posts.
1. Get the Endorsement of a Major Studio
Not going to happen. The Titanic couldn't get new investors once it started sinking, neither can HD-DVD.
2. Keep Paramount and Universal On Board
They can encourage them to stay on-board but eventually they will will be Blu-ray exclusive.
3. Drop the HD DVD Player Price to $49
Too low and it looks suspcious, like with the constant lowering of the price.
4. Get CE Companies to Drop the Price of Dual-Format Players
Dual-HD-format players cost more to build and they aren't going to pony up the cost now. jsut to sell a more expensive product that will compete with companes offering a cheaper Blu-ray-only solution.
5. Get Sony to Support Dual-Format Players
HAHA Sony needs Blu-ray to win for several reasons. There is no benefit to them for propping up HD-DVD.
So, bottom line: HD DVD isn't dead, but the shovels are out.
You're right, HD-DVD isn't dead, but it is Terri Schiavo. It's not going to recover.
I see only one option for HD-DVD.
? Create Skynet; Go back in time and add HD-DVD to all XBOX 360s; Send a Terminator to hunt and destroy every PS3.
Onlooker, I've ignored the "clearing out the inventory" posts because I didn't think it was worth the time to comment on the ridiculous assertion. But you seem to be taking this as fact.
You are saying that Toshiba has made a decision to kill off HD-DVD and is clearing out inventory under the guise of marketing the format as a going concern.
You are aware that such actions would open them up to all kinds of class action litigation right?
What class action litigation? Toshiba has already stated that all HD-DVD players are now to be sold as DVD up converters. If there is a dead in the water second format attached to those players it's no longer their problem.
? Amazon: XBOX 360 HD-DVD Player $80 incl. 6 Free HD-DVD Titles and Free Shipping
Oh damn.... let's see where this goes. And the offer includes 5 free HDM MIR...
Thanks for posting the news.
Not going to happen. The Titanic couldn't get new investors once it started sinking, neither can HD-DVD.
They can encourage them to stay on-board but eventually they will will be Blu-ray exclusive.
Too low and it looks suspcious, like with the constant lowering of the price.
Dual-HD-format players cost more to build and they aren't going to pony up the cost now. jsut to sell a more expensive product that will compete with companes offering a cheaper Blu-ray-only solution.
HAHA Sony needs Blu-ray to win for several reasons. There is no benefit to them for propping up HD-DVD.
You're right, HD-DVD isn't dead, but it is Terri Schiavo. It's not going to recover.
I see only one option for HD-DVD.
? Create Skynet; Go back in time and add HD-DVD to all XBOX 360s; Send a Terminator to hunt and destroy every PS3.
LOL!
it isn't a good deal when you can't hear the movie due to the loudness of the machine running it.
The xBox 360 does not run fans a'blazin' while watching movies. During HD DVD playback, the noise of the machine is about 1/20th that of when it's running a game.
The xBox 360 does not run fans a'blazin' while watching movies. During HD DVD playback, the noise of the machine is about 1/20th that of when it's running a game.
I had one, it is f'n loud! Very distracting.
I had one, it is f'n loud! Very distracting.
There must have been something wrong with it. My HD DVD add-on doesn't make a sound, and the xBox stays as quiet as it does when you're just sitting at the dashboard.
You know Cory, if you spent half as much time coming up with a reasonable, logical argument for HD DVD as you do with FUD you spew and with your preoccupation with MY finances, you'd actually realize that this isn't about what I buy or don't buy. Your obsession with what I do with my money is baseless, and rather a bit off task. It doesn't suprise me though that you have to go this route, when the well of HD DVD talking points has dried up.
BTW, I'm not being cocky. This is what YOU CHOSE to interpret my last post as. There is no reason for me to be cocky. I just want one format, and if that means continually showing where HD DVD fanboy logic errs, then so be it. It's not about being cocky, it is about REASONING with people with your mindset on why you are right or wrong on certain aspects of the format war. It's called debate, and a debate you are losing, but are too stubborn to admit it.
you really area a fanboy. the bottom line has always been if HD-DVD got the support equal to that of Blurays it would have cleaned house, guaranteed.
the problem is and will always be that bluray came first, and the dvd group got stubborn and decided to create their own format. people resented this, a lot of people...
plus you have sony throwing buckets of cash at some of these studios and boom you have massive support for a crap standard that has yet to prove a damn thing.
bravo marz, bravo.
I'm pretty sure HD DVD came first. Wasn't the whole voting rule change fiasco a result of BDA members not showing up to vote as a stalling tactic while the Blu-ray spec was 'finished?'
The Blu-Ray spec is finished?