There are hordes of Windows and Linux enthusiasts who think all Mac users are financailly irresponsible and technically ignorant.
Well those hordes of Windows and Linux enthusiasts aren't looking at the total cost of ownership, i.e. the countless number of hours they spend in maintenance and upkeep; linux users especially, considering getting their operating system of choice to do even basic 21st century computing functions is a chore in of itself.
linux users especially, considering getting their operating system of choice to do even basic 21st century computing functions is a chore in of itself.
You can't fault some peoples idea of recreation...
lol. This is as pathetic as any post i've ever seen. "It's a long way from that." Toshiba has stated that HD-DVD players are now to be sold as DVD upscales. Not HD-DVD players but upscaling DVD players. Your kidding right? HD-DVD is a long way from what? Being bio-degradable?
Ok I'll say it for you again so maybe you'll understand. The numbers for BR or HD DVD are really small in comparison to DVD. Would you not agree? So Either one is a long way from replacing the mainstream product ( DVD ) would you not say?
So DVD is the one to beat. Would you not say?
So anyone who wants BR to succeed knows their favorite product has to appear as attractive as possible would you not say?
Got it?
Ps. Maybe if you hadn't been so busy cheering BR on ( or increasing your reading skills ) you would have got this on your own.
But DVD is not in the HD war. Eventually the reigns will just be handed over. It's an evolution, a revolution, but not a war. It's not something that has to be beaten. It's something that will happen and go unnoticed like the day that DVD overtook VHS. Like the day that DVD player sales became greater than VHS player sales.
Now I do understand what you were saying though, but I just don't see DVD as a contributing factor to the HD war. The war is over. Now we just wait for the dust to settle.
I'm not a lowlife! I'm just too poor to get a PS3. Thanks for reminding me... now I'm going to go cry into my $1 TV dinner... (Hmmm... I guess we don't have a crying smiley. This will have to do.)
But DVD is not in the HD war. Eventually the reigns will just be handed over. It's an evolution, a revolution, but not a war. It's not something that has to be beaten. It's something that will happen and go unnoticed like the day that DVD overtook VHS. Like the day that DVD player sales became greater than VHS player sales.
Now I do understand what you were saying though, but I just don't see DVD as a contributing factor to the HD war. The war is over. Now we just wait for the dust to settle.
Look just about every article I've ever read about this ( including the one I just posted a link to in this thread a few days ago from Cnet ) has mentioned DVD as part of the equation. There's no guaranty that the reins will be handed over to BR. Many superior fomats have come and gone ( like Laser Disc ) and didn't amount to anything.
Not for a while. The problem is that the majority of us are satisfied with DVDs and therefore not in a rush to buy a more expensive video player that plays more expensive discs. The current technology is acceptable to the vast majority of consumers and more importantly, we're used to buying discs for $10 to $20. Spending $35 on a title whose quality is good, but not dramatically different, has been a tough sell for the majority of consumers.
That could all change as the natural cycle of consumer electronics churns along, as prices on components drop, and as studios are able to produce discs in larger volumes. "
I'm just sighting that DVD is the one to beat and is part of the equation if BR is to survive to be anything more than a videophile's favorite. You seem to take it for granted this will occur. That's not assured as many are still saying " I think DVDs look good enough ". DVDs overtook VHS because there were alot of compelling reasons ( Size, big difference in picture quality, durability etc. ). Between the DVD and BR the difference isn't that immediately perceivable to the average consumer. To my eye yes there's a big difference. But I'm a videophile and very picky. Also if you want to site the past. Laserdisc was superior to VHS and could be seen by everyone. However it never caught on because it couldn't record. It was around for about 20 years as a high tech alternative to tape. But nothing more.
BR still has to " Sell " itself to the average consumer. And that ain't happened yet. It still has to beat DVD. And that fight ( because DVD is already so entrenched ) will make it's contest with HD DVD seem easy.
Ok I'll say it for you again so maybe you'll understand. The numbers for BR or HD DVD are really small in comparison to DVD. Would you not agree? So Either one is a long way from replacing the mainstream product ( DVD ) would you not say?
So DVD is the one to beat. Would you not say?
So anyone who wants BR to succeed knows their favorite product has to appear as attractive as possible would you not say?
Got it?
Ps. Maybe if you hadn't been so busy cheering BR on ( or increasing your reading skills ) you would have got this on your own.
It's obvious most people here do not understand what niche means. The niche in the high end AV market is even a smaller niche, hich means nothing in the scale of mass consumer.
Look just about every article I've ever read about this ( including the one I just posted a link to in this thread a few days ago from Cnet ) has mentioned DVD as part of the equation. There's no guaranty that the reins will be handed over to BR. Many superior fomats have come and gone ( like Laser Disc ) and didn't amount to anything.
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Well if want to look at it like that Blu-Ray is far ahead of DVD in it's adoption rate over the previous format. But I still don't think they are at war. Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with.
But Blu-Ray is growing faster than DVD did. (according to figures previously posted in this thread) And it's already less expensive than DVD was, so in that respect I guess Blu-Ray is winning another one.
Well if want to look at it like that Blu-Ray is far ahead of DVD in it's adoption rate over the previous format.
Really? Because last I heard HDM adoption was close but not quite to that of DVD in it's time, but those figures include both Blu-Ray and HD DVD; subtract HD DVD from the equation (25 - 45% of sales), and I would think that would put Blu-Ray far behind DVD in adoption rates.
HD-DVD is better because it has better integration, better multimedia features, is a more complete spec, has better backward compatibility and a lower introductory price. Or Whatever.
Blu-Ray is better because it is better as a storage medium, has higher bandwidth, and is more future-proof. Or Whatever.
But who cares? The game is over. Blu-Ray won. There is no future for HD-DVD. Period. All you HD-DVD backers should exit gracefully and admit defeat instead of clinging to your capsized boat as it gets swept out to sea.
Anyway, lets assume one of the two had to win, eventually.
In 5 years, assuming the "introductory price" issue would no longer be an issue as we'll be able to get $79 Chinese BD players, which do you think would be the better medium?
We wouldn't be caring about backward compatibility by that time. BD would have evolved to include every and all multimedia advantage HD-DVD had, and -- bottom line, BD technology has the added bandwidth potential to improve past what we have today. With HD-DVD, we'd basically be stuck with the current spec until something better comes along.
HD-DVD may be better for today (and that's debatable). BD is better for tomorrow.
Now, as to why HD hasn't sold as quickly as DVD, it's so simple that it can't even be debated. DVD didn't require you to buy a new TV. Full Stop.
Someday soon all new TVs sold will be HD. SDTV will be dead. That's when people will stop buying DVD players in favor of HD. Not before. And Blu-Ray will be there to fill the need. HD-DVD won't.
Hm... Were they giving away free DVD players with new TV purchases in 1998 or 1999? or were they counting PS2 as a designated DVD players in the market?
If Blu-Ray backers can manage to move 4 million standalone Blu-Ray players this year alone, then we can say that Blu-Ray maybe progressing at the rate of DVD in 1999(third year from intro). I would guess that 4 million players are alot to give away....... which means giving away average of 80k units/week. I don't think we're going to make it.
A very stupid question, but if I had an HD-DVD drive, ripped a movie, is there anything to stop me from burning that onto a blu ray disc?
DRM and all that...
I have just moved towns and have none of my toys here with me so I cant try it out.
Nothing I can think of could stop a person from doing that. The Menu system wouldn't be there. Hence update DVD SP Apple, but if you had 2 burners you could do that.
I'm not a lowlife! I'm just too poor to get a PS3. Thanks for reminding me... now I'm going to go cry into my $1 TV dinner... (Hmmm... I guess we don't have a crying smiley. This will have to do.)
Jings I thought the joke was apparent I wish I could afford a Wii! I'm "making do" with the PS3 until I can afford a Wii.
But who cares? The game is over. Blu-Ray won. There is no future for HD-DVD. Period. All you HD-DVD backers should exit gracefully and admit defeat instead of clinging to your capsized boat as it gets swept out to sea.
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Casablanca, and the Matrix will be nice for many I'm sure.
Other catalog titles due in 2008:
The Matrix
V for Vendetta
An American in Paris
Gigi
Mutiny on the Bounty
Forbidden Planet
Casablanca
Excalibur
The Adventures of Robin Hood
Grand Prix
Clash of the Titans
Twister
Heat (pending a new 1080p transfer)
There are hordes of Windows and Linux enthusiasts who think all Mac users are financailly irresponsible and technically ignorant.
Well those hordes of Windows and Linux enthusiasts aren't looking at the total cost of ownership, i.e. the countless number of hours they spend in maintenance and upkeep; linux users especially, considering getting their operating system of choice to do even basic 21st century computing functions is a chore in of itself.
linux users especially, considering getting their operating system of choice to do even basic 21st century computing functions is a chore in of itself.
You can't fault some peoples idea of recreation...
lol. This is as pathetic as any post i've ever seen. "It's a long way from that." Toshiba has stated that HD-DVD players are now to be sold as DVD upscales. Not HD-DVD players but upscaling DVD players. Your kidding right? HD-DVD is a long way from what? Being bio-degradable?
Ok I'll say it for you again so maybe you'll understand. The numbers for BR or HD DVD are really small in comparison to DVD. Would you not agree? So Either one is a long way from replacing the mainstream product ( DVD ) would you not say?
So DVD is the one to beat. Would you not say?
So anyone who wants BR to succeed knows their favorite product has to appear as attractive as possible would you not say?
Got it?
Ps. Maybe if you hadn't been so busy cheering BR on ( or increasing your reading skills ) you would have got this on your own.
Now I do understand what you were saying though, but I just don't see DVD as a contributing factor to the HD war. The war is over. Now we just wait for the dust to settle.
you love posting crap dont you?
sony has done what they have always done- feed hype, promise the world but only in the future
Are you a joke?
I always thought it was M$ that continually over promised and under delivered? IF they actually deliver at all.
Still I guess if you are so firmly attached to the teat, you won't be listening to this either.
there is a problem.
Yeah, the PS3 outsold the 360 last year.
keep your tinfoil hat handy, it will only get worse.
here is something we can ALL enjoy
..mm except probably tinfoil boy.
whatever
IV
But DVD is not in the HD war. Eventually the reigns will just be handed over. It's an evolution, a revolution, but not a war. It's not something that has to be beaten. It's something that will happen and go unnoticed like the day that DVD overtook VHS. Like the day that DVD player sales became greater than VHS player sales.
Now I do understand what you were saying though, but I just don't see DVD as a contributing factor to the HD war. The war is over. Now we just wait for the dust to settle.
Look just about every article I've ever read about this ( including the one I just posted a link to in this thread a few days ago from Cnet ) has mentioned DVD as part of the equation. There's no guaranty that the reins will be handed over to BR. Many superior fomats have come and gone ( like Laser Disc ) and didn't amount to anything.
From that article :
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" Q: When will I have to choose sides?
Not for a while. The problem is that the majority of us are satisfied with DVDs and therefore not in a rush to buy a more expensive video player that plays more expensive discs. The current technology is acceptable to the vast majority of consumers and more importantly, we're used to buying discs for $10 to $20. Spending $35 on a title whose quality is good, but not dramatically different, has been a tough sell for the majority of consumers.
That could all change as the natural cycle of consumer electronics churns along, as prices on components drop, and as studios are able to produce discs in larger volumes. "
http://www.news.com/FAQ-Whats-next-i...tml?tag=st.num
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Read the article. It's a good read.
I'm just sighting that DVD is the one to beat and is part of the equation if BR is to survive to be anything more than a videophile's favorite. You seem to take it for granted this will occur. That's not assured as many are still saying " I think DVDs look good enough ". DVDs overtook VHS because there were alot of compelling reasons ( Size, big difference in picture quality, durability etc. ). Between the DVD and BR the difference isn't that immediately perceivable to the average consumer. To my eye yes there's a big difference. But I'm a videophile and very picky. Also if you want to site the past. Laserdisc was superior to VHS and could be seen by everyone. However it never caught on because it couldn't record. It was around for about 20 years as a high tech alternative to tape. But nothing more.
BR still has to " Sell " itself to the average consumer. And that ain't happened yet. It still has to beat DVD. And that fight ( because DVD is already so entrenched ) will make it's contest with HD DVD seem easy.
Ok I'll say it for you again so maybe you'll understand. The numbers for BR or HD DVD are really small in comparison to DVD. Would you not agree? So Either one is a long way from replacing the mainstream product ( DVD ) would you not say?
So DVD is the one to beat. Would you not say?
So anyone who wants BR to succeed knows their favorite product has to appear as attractive as possible would you not say?
Got it?
Ps. Maybe if you hadn't been so busy cheering BR on ( or increasing your reading skills ) you would have got this on your own.
It's obvious most people here do not understand what niche means. The niche in the high end AV market is even a smaller niche, hich means nothing in the scale of mass consumer.
Look just about every article I've ever read about this ( including the one I just posted a link to in this thread a few days ago from Cnet ) has mentioned DVD as part of the equation. There's no guaranty that the reins will be handed over to BR. Many superior fomats have come and gone ( like Laser Disc ) and didn't amount to anything.
....................
Well if want to look at it like that Blu-Ray is far ahead of DVD in it's adoption rate over the previous format. But I still don't think they are at war. Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with.
But Blu-Ray is growing faster than DVD did. (according to figures previously posted in this thread) And it's already less expensive than DVD was, so in that respect I guess Blu-Ray is winning another one.
Well if want to look at it like that Blu-Ray is far ahead of DVD in it's adoption rate over the previous format.
Really? Because last I heard HDM adoption was close but not quite to that of DVD in it's time, but those figures include both Blu-Ray and HD DVD; subtract HD DVD from the equation (25 - 45% of sales), and I would think that would put Blu-Ray far behind DVD in adoption rates.
HD-DVD is better because it has better integration, better multimedia features, is a more complete spec, has better backward compatibility and a lower introductory price. Or Whatever.
Blu-Ray is better because it is better as a storage medium, has higher bandwidth, and is more future-proof. Or Whatever.
But who cares? The game is over. Blu-Ray won. There is no future for HD-DVD. Period. All you HD-DVD backers should exit gracefully and admit defeat instead of clinging to your capsized boat as it gets swept out to sea.
Anyway, lets assume one of the two had to win, eventually.
In 5 years, assuming the "introductory price" issue would no longer be an issue as we'll be able to get $79 Chinese BD players, which do you think would be the better medium?
We wouldn't be caring about backward compatibility by that time. BD would have evolved to include every and all multimedia advantage HD-DVD had, and -- bottom line, BD technology has the added bandwidth potential to improve past what we have today. With HD-DVD, we'd basically be stuck with the current spec until something better comes along.
HD-DVD may be better for today (and that's debatable). BD is better for tomorrow.
Now, as to why HD hasn't sold as quickly as DVD, it's so simple that it can't even be debated. DVD didn't require you to buy a new TV. Full Stop.
Someday soon all new TVs sold will be HD. SDTV will be dead. That's when people will stop buying DVD players in favor of HD. Not before. And Blu-Ray will be there to fill the need. HD-DVD won't.
If Blu-Ray backers can manage to move 4 million standalone Blu-Ray players this year alone, then we can say that Blu-Ray maybe progressing at the rate of DVD in 1999(third year from intro). I would guess that 4 million players are alot to give away....... which means giving away average of 80k units/week. I don't think we're going to make it.
DRM and all that...
I have just moved towns and have none of my toys here with me so I cant try it out.
A very stupid question, but if I had an HD-DVD drive, ripped a movie, is there anything to stop me from burning that onto a blu ray disc?
DRM and all that...
I have just moved towns and have none of my toys here with me so I cant try it out.
Nothing I can think of could stop a person from doing that. The Menu system wouldn't be there. Hence update DVD SP Apple, but if you had 2 burners you could do that.
I'm not a lowlife! I'm just too poor to get a PS3. Thanks for reminding me... now I'm going to go cry into my $1 TV dinner... (Hmmm... I guess we don't have a crying smiley. This will have to do.)
Jings I thought the joke was apparent
Choices and Priorities.
But who cares? The game is over. Blu-Ray won. There is no future for HD-DVD. Period. All you HD-DVD backers should exit gracefully and admit defeat instead of clinging to your capsized boat as it gets swept out to sea.
Beautifully put.