Hm... Were they giving away free DVD players with new TV purchases in 1998 or 1999? or were they counting PS2 as a designated DVD players in the market?
If Blu-Ray backers can manage to move 4 million standalone Blu-Ray players this year alone, then we can say that Blu-Ray maybe progressing at the rate of DVD in 1999(third year from intro). I would guess that 4 million players are alot to give away....... which means giving away average of 80k units/week. I don't think we're going to make it.
Not content with seeing one format die, you want the other one to die as well? odd attitude for a supposed HDM format fan
look, Sony obviously did something REALLY bad to you early on, or your sister, but PLEASE get some help, counseling might help you come to terms with reality.
HD-DVD may have "lost". But that doesn't mean Blu-Ray has "won".
It is still possible for both sides to lose. And yes, that's coming from someone who bought a Blu-ray player yesterday.
I put those words in quotes because beating the competing next-gen format hasn't historically, always been a sign of a winning format. It is also necessary to beat the current standard in order to really win anything.
Not content with seeing one format die, you want the other one to die as well? odd attitude for a supposed HDM format fan
look, Sony obviously did something REALLY bad to you early on, or your sister, but PLEASE get some help, counseling might help you come to terms with reality.
What are you talking about? Both HDM optical formats are still alive in the niche market, and it would continue that way for a long time. I do accept such reality and I can cope with it staying as niche. It is you, the ps3 owners, thinking this HDM format war has everything to gain in real life. Get a life buddy!
keep your tinfoil hat handy, it will only get worse.
where's your source? everything i see so far has still pointed to the 360 selling more even when they are getting hammered in japan, and i mean hammered.
and stop with this microsoft hate. i dont like them for certain things either but they are no where near sony in the cocky a55 department. dont make me recall all the PR crap sony did in its PS3 launch. they pull the same FUD (killzone CG trailer, features cut, games running at 1080p, emotion engine duing the ps2 days) strategy every god damn time and fanboys like you still eat it up.
where's your source? everything i see so far has still pointed to the 360 selling more even when they are getting hammered in japan, and i mean hammered.
and stop with this microsoft hate. i dont like them for certain things either but they are no where near sony in the cocky a55 department. dont make me recall all the PR crap sony did in its PS3 launch. they pull the same FUD (killzone CG trailer, features cut, games running at 1080p, emotion engine duing the ps2 days) strategy every god damn time and fanboys like you still eat it up.
According to links below you are correct; the XBOX 360 is still selling more.
Well if want to look at it like that Blu-Ray is far ahead of DVD in it's adoption rate over the previous format. But I still don't think they are at war. Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with.
But Blu-Ray is growing faster than DVD did. (according to figures previously posted in this thread) And it's already less expensive than DVD was, so in that respect I guess Blu-Ray is winning another one.
It is? DVD was pretty clearly the format of choice by now. What's BR been out for 2 years?
That's long enough to see more movement if you want to compare.
" Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with. "
Jesus please wake up! Everything you see is tainted by your position on this. No one wants BR ( if it's going to be the HD home format ) to win more than I do!
North American 2007 totals:Nintendo DS - 8.5 million
Wii - 6.29 million
Xbox 360 - 4.62 million
PlayStation 2 - 3.97 million
PSP - 3.82 million
PlayStation 3 - 2.56 million
\t
North American to date totals:
PlayStation 2 - 41.12 million
Nintendo DS - 17.65 million
PSP - 10.47 million
Xbox 360 - 9.15 million
Wii - 7.38 million
PlayStation 3 - 3.25 million
i believe he was talking about world wide. the 360 wins the North american and Britain market hands down.
the japanese market is all for the Wii and PS3, 360 is virtually none existent there.
europe is where the battle is being fought between sony and microsoft. last year europe really pulled through for the ps3, shocking considering sony always sh/ts on them. the 360's failure rates really impacted their success in europe.
HD-DVD may have "lost". But that doesn't mean Blu-Ray has "won".
It is still possible for both sides to lose. And yes, that's coming from someone who bought a Blu-ray player yesterday.
I put those words in quotes because beating the competing next-gen format hasn't historically, always been a sign of a winning format. It is also necessary to beat the current standard in order to really win anything.
You are muddling the confrontations here. Blu-ray won against HD-DVD in the fight for the HD optical media format. DVD isn't HD so it's not a contender. Streaming isn't an optical format so it isn't a contender.
DVD is still going strong, just as VHS was going strong for years after DVD was known to the next format. If you wish to contend that DVD is still dominate among all optical formats, fine; no one in their right mind will aver differently.
That is not to say that Blu-ray can somehow be usurped by DVD. The HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray battle did well to lower the prices faster than VHS or DVD were lowered. This has helped in some ways to hasten adoption by offering a lower pricepoint. It has also panicked some who don't want to buy the wrong format. Is that equal wash in sales, I can't say, but there is definitely some give and take there.
Upcoverting DVD players have countered the HD optical media adoption rate and will continue to stave off some people from adopting HD optical media. But this is only a stop-gate; not a permanent solution. The only possible way I see Blu-ray not becoming widely adopted is if internet bandwidth is increased dramatically. While this is happening constantly I don't expect to see High-Profile H.264 movies being streamed at comparable prices to renting DVDs for many years from cable and satellite providers or online movie rental sites. By the time streaming download meets or exceeds ou currently best HDTV resolution and quality Blu-ray will have become the dominate optical media being sold.
i believe he was talking about world wide. the 360 wins the North american and Britain market hands down.
the japanese market is all for the Wii and PS3, 360 is virtually none existent there.
europe is where the battle is being fought between sony and microsoft. last year europe really pulled through for the ps3, shocking considering sony always sh/ts on them. the 360's failure rates really impacted their success in europe.
we'll see what 2008 brings.
Wikipedia has sales figures for all these consoles. Usually with cited sources.
Do you know, not know, or are you asking me if I know if you know? I don't know you so I can't know if you know but since I do know I posted it to you, you would now know if you didn't know before now, but I wouldn't know if you knew before now by your statement of "yeah, I know?". You know what I mean?
Do you know, not know, or are you asking me if I know if you know? I don't know you so I can't know if you know but since I do know I posted it to you, you would now know if you didn't know before now, but I wouldn't know if you knew by your stated by of "yeah, I know?". You know what I mean?
yeah, i knew before lol. i dont know why you posted "wiki has figures with sources..."
were you referring to him not knowing what he was talking about? i believe wiki doesn't have the 2007 figures broken down though. most other sites i've read still has the 360 on top of the ps3 for 2007.
the european figures are hard to calculate and most of the time they are calculated guesses. europe will be the battle ground for this gen console war between the ps3 and 360, and microsoft knows it.
yeah, i knew before lol. i dont know why you posted "wiki has figures with sources..."
were you referring to him not knowing what he was talking about? i believe wiki doesn't have the 2007 figures broken down though. most other sites i've read still has the 360 on top of the ps3 for 2007.
the european figures are hard to calculate and most of the time they are calculated guesses. europe will be the battle ground for this gen console war between the ps3 and 360, and microsoft knows it.
I posted it because not everyone does use Wiki as a starting point. Some people just seem to hate the idea of it, even when much is cited. And since I didn't see any sources for or against the 360 vs PS3 discussion I felt posting that couldn't hurt.
You are muddling the confrontations here. Blu-ray won against HD-DVD in the fight for the HD optical media format. DVD isn't HD so it's not a contender. Streaming isn't an optical format so it isn't a contender.
Why do people keep posting such none sense. There's no truth or source of proof in the above statement. Perhaps, in the deluded world of PS3 fans only. One thing you need to understand is the HDM/SDM can exist in many forms of optical discs or the VOD via other means of access. All formats are contenders in the means of all going after consumers' pocket change and the popular means of movie delivery to the mass public will be the winner format in HD or SD form of a movie.
You are muddling the confrontations here. Blu-ray won against HD-DVD in the fight for the HD optical media format. DVD isn't HD so it's not a contender. Streaming isn't an optical format so it isn't a contender.
DVD is still going strong, just as VHS was going strong for years after DVD was known to the next format. If you wish to contend that DVD is still dominate among all optical formats, fine; no one in their right mind will aver differently.
That is not to say that Blu-ray can somehow be usurped by DVD. The HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray battle did well to lower the prices faster than VHS or DVD were lowered. This has helped in some ways to hasten adoption by offering a lower pricepoint. It has also panicked some who don't want to buy the wrong format. Is that equal wash in sales, I can't say, but there is definitely some give and take there.
Upcoverting DVD players have countered the HD optical media adoption rate and will continue to stave off some people from adopting HD optical media. But this is only a stop-gate; not a permanent solution. The only possible way I see Blu-ray not becoming widely adopted is if internet bandwidth is increased dramatically. While this is happening constantly I don't expect to see High-Profile H.264 movies being streamed at comparable prices to renting DVDs for many years from cable and satellite providers or online movie rental sites. By the time streaming download meets or exceeds ou currently best HDTV resolution and quality Blu-ray will have become the dominate optical media being sold.
Remember the Laserdisc?
It's resolution was at the top of what TVs were at for the time. Clearly better than tape. Twice the resoloution in fact. It was around for 20 years. It never rose above the nich market.
Learn from history. People settled for half of what their TVs were capable of ( Tape ) for many years when there was an alternative available.
And about downloading we've been all over why that won't make it to mainstream replacement of the DVD.
It's called ownership and portability. Something HD downloads won't have due to the studios blocking it.
Has it really been only 2 years? I remember Sony announcing it when I was still at least a year away from graduating.
According to Wikipedia:
• The first DVR Blue prototypes were unveiled at the CEATEC exhibition in October 2000
• February 2002, the project was officially announced as Blu-ray
• The first consumer devices were in stores on April 10, 2003. This device was the Sony BDZ-S77; a BD-RE recorder that was only made available in Japan. The recommended price was US$3800. However, there was no standard for pre-recorded video (BD-ROM) and no movies were released for this player. The Blu-ray Disc standard was still years away
• The Blu-ray Disc physical specifications were finished in 2004
• The BD-ROM specifications were finalized in early 2006
• The first BD-ROM players were shipped in the middle of June 2006, though HD DVD players beat them in the race to the market by a few months
• The first Blu-ray Disc titles were released on June 20, 2006.
• The earliest releases used MPEG-2 video compression, the same method used on DVDs. The first releases using the newer VC-1 and AVC codecs were introduced in September 2006
• The first movies using dual layer discs (50 GB) were introduced in October 2006
• The first mass-market Blu-ray rewritable drive for the PC was the BWU-100A, released by Sony on July 18, 2006
I think using the date when titles were first for sale is the most relevant for me, which makes it 19 months old, but depending on you field yo u may want an earlier date.
where's your source? everything i see so far has still pointed to the 360 selling more even when they are getting hammered in japan, and i mean hammered.
and stop with this microsoft hate. i dont like them for certain things either but they are no where near sony in the cocky a55 department. dont make me recall all the PR crap sony did in its PS3 launch. they pull the same FUD (killzone CG trailer, features cut, games running at 1080p, emotion engine duing the ps2 days) strategy every god damn time and fanboys like you still eat it up.
WTF is up with you and "PR" ? I havent mentioned Sony PR, why do you have to? Should we REALLY move into PR stupidness? because there is just TOO much ammo on the ass hat M$ PR for me to even take you seriously.
It is? DVD was pretty clearly the format of choice by now. What's BR been out for 2 years?
That's long enough to see more movement if you want to compare.
" Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with. "
Jesus please wake up! Everything you see is tainted by your position on this. No one wants BR ( if it's going to be the HD home format ) to win more than I do!
What was the % of DVD compared to VHS? in 1998? Were you harping on about how no-one wanted DVD because it was clear that VHS "was in every home already" back then?
For someone who purports to be so wise, you sure do miss out certain "facts" when it suits you.
Comments
Hm... Were they giving away free DVD players with new TV purchases in 1998 or 1999? or were they counting PS2 as a designated DVD players in the market?
If Blu-Ray backers can manage to move 4 million standalone Blu-Ray players this year alone, then we can say that Blu-Ray maybe progressing at the rate of DVD in 1999(third year from intro). I would guess that 4 million players are alot to give away....... which means giving away average of 80k units/week. I don't think we're going to make it.
Not content with seeing one format die, you want the other one to die as well? odd attitude for a supposed HDM format fan
look, Sony obviously did something REALLY bad to you early on, or your sister, but PLEASE get some help, counseling might help you come to terms with reality.
But who cares? The game is over. Blu-Ray won.
Once again, to be perfectly accurate:
HD-DVD may have "lost". But that doesn't mean Blu-Ray has "won".
It is still possible for both sides to lose. And yes, that's coming from someone who bought a Blu-ray player yesterday.
I put those words in quotes because beating the competing next-gen format hasn't historically, always been a sign of a winning format. It is also necessary to beat the current standard in order to really win anything.
Not content with seeing one format die, you want the other one to die as well? odd attitude for a supposed HDM format fan
look, Sony obviously did something REALLY bad to you early on, or your sister, but PLEASE get some help, counseling might help you come to terms with reality.
What are you talking about? Both HDM optical formats are still alive in the niche market, and it would continue that way for a long time. I do accept such reality and I can cope with it staying as niche. It is you, the ps3 owners, thinking this HDM format war has everything to gain in real life. Get a life buddy!
Yeah, the PS3 outsold the 360 last year.
keep your tinfoil hat handy, it will only get worse.
where's your source? everything i see so far has still pointed to the 360 selling more even when they are getting hammered in japan, and i mean hammered.
and stop with this microsoft hate. i dont like them for certain things either but they are no where near sony in the cocky a55 department. dont make me recall all the PR crap sony did in its PS3 launch. they pull the same FUD (killzone CG trailer, features cut, games running at 1080p, emotion engine duing the ps2 days) strategy every god damn time and fanboys like you still eat it up.
where's your source? everything i see so far has still pointed to the 360 selling more even when they are getting hammered in japan, and i mean hammered.
and stop with this microsoft hate. i dont like them for certain things either but they are no where near sony in the cocky a55 department. dont make me recall all the PR crap sony did in its PS3 launch. they pull the same FUD (killzone CG trailer, features cut, games running at 1080p, emotion engine duing the ps2 days) strategy every god damn time and fanboys like you still eat it up.
According to links below you are correct; the XBOX 360 is still selling more.\t
North American to date totals:
Well if want to look at it like that Blu-Ray is far ahead of DVD in it's adoption rate over the previous format. But I still don't think they are at war. Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with.
But Blu-Ray is growing faster than DVD did. (according to figures previously posted in this thread) And it's already less expensive than DVD was, so in that respect I guess Blu-Ray is winning another one.
It is? DVD was pretty clearly the format of choice by now. What's BR been out for 2 years?
That's long enough to see more movement if you want to compare.
" Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with. "
Jesus please wake up! Everything you see is tainted by your position on this. No one wants BR ( if it's going to be the HD home format ) to win more than I do!
According to links below you are correct; the XBOX 360 is still selling more.\t
North American to date totals:
i believe he was talking about world wide. the 360 wins the North american and Britain market hands down.
the japanese market is all for the Wii and PS3, 360 is virtually none existent there.
europe is where the battle is being fought between sony and microsoft. last year europe really pulled through for the ps3, shocking considering sony always sh/ts on them. the 360's failure rates really impacted their success in europe.
we'll see what 2008 brings.
Once again, to be perfectly accurate:
HD-DVD may have "lost". But that doesn't mean Blu-Ray has "won".
It is still possible for both sides to lose. And yes, that's coming from someone who bought a Blu-ray player yesterday.
I put those words in quotes because beating the competing next-gen format hasn't historically, always been a sign of a winning format. It is also necessary to beat the current standard in order to really win anything.
You are muddling the confrontations here. Blu-ray won against HD-DVD in the fight for the HD optical media format. DVD isn't HD so it's not a contender. Streaming isn't an optical format so it isn't a contender.
DVD is still going strong, just as VHS was going strong for years after DVD was known to the next format. If you wish to contend that DVD is still dominate among all optical formats, fine; no one in their right mind will aver differently.
That is not to say that Blu-ray can somehow be usurped by DVD. The HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray battle did well to lower the prices faster than VHS or DVD were lowered. This has helped in some ways to hasten adoption by offering a lower pricepoint. It has also panicked some who don't want to buy the wrong format. Is that equal wash in sales, I can't say, but there is definitely some give and take there.
Upcoverting DVD players have countered the HD optical media adoption rate and will continue to stave off some people from adopting HD optical media. But this is only a stop-gate; not a permanent solution. The only possible way I see Blu-ray not becoming widely adopted is if internet bandwidth is increased dramatically. While this is happening constantly I don't expect to see High-Profile H.264 movies being streamed at comparable prices to renting DVDs for many years from cable and satellite providers or online movie rental sites. By the time streaming download meets or exceeds ou currently best HDTV resolution and quality Blu-ray will have become the dominate optical media being sold.
i believe he was talking about world wide. the 360 wins the North american and Britain market hands down.
the japanese market is all for the Wii and PS3, 360 is virtually none existent there.
europe is where the battle is being fought between sony and microsoft. last year europe really pulled through for the ps3, shocking considering sony always sh/ts on them. the 360's failure rates really impacted their success in europe.
we'll see what 2008 brings.
Wikipedia has sales figures for all these consoles. Usually with cited sources.
Wikipedia has sales figures for all these consoles. Usually with cited sources.
yeah, i know?
yeah, i know?
Do you know, not know, or are you asking me if I know if you know? I don't know you so I can't know if you know but since I do know I posted it to you, you would now know if you didn't know before now, but I wouldn't know if you knew before now by your statement of "yeah, I know?". You know what I mean?
Do you know, not know, or are you asking me if I know if you know? I don't know you so I can't know if you know but since I do know I posted it to you, you would now know if you didn't know before now, but I wouldn't know if you knew by your stated by of "yeah, I know?". You know what I mean?
yeah, i knew before lol. i dont know why you posted "wiki has figures with sources..."
were you referring to him not knowing what he was talking about? i believe wiki doesn't have the 2007 figures broken down though. most other sites i've read still has the 360 on top of the ps3 for 2007.
the european figures are hard to calculate and most of the time they are calculated guesses. europe will be the battle ground for this gen console war between the ps3 and 360, and microsoft knows it.
yeah, i knew before lol. i dont know why you posted "wiki has figures with sources..."
were you referring to him not knowing what he was talking about? i believe wiki doesn't have the 2007 figures broken down though. most other sites i've read still has the 360 on top of the ps3 for 2007.
the european figures are hard to calculate and most of the time they are calculated guesses. europe will be the battle ground for this gen console war between the ps3 and 360, and microsoft knows it.
I posted it because not everyone does use Wiki as a starting point. Some people just seem to hate the idea of it, even when much is cited. And since I didn't see any sources for or against the 360 vs PS3 discussion I felt posting that couldn't hurt.
You are muddling the confrontations here. Blu-ray won against HD-DVD in the fight for the HD optical media format. DVD isn't HD so it's not a contender. Streaming isn't an optical format so it isn't a contender.
Why do people keep posting such none sense. There's no truth or source of proof in the above statement. Perhaps, in the deluded world of PS3 fans only. One thing you need to understand is the HDM/SDM can exist in many forms of optical discs or the VOD via other means of access. All formats are contenders in the means of all going after consumers' pocket change and the popular means of movie delivery to the mass public will be the winner format in HD or SD form of a movie.
How was that a good article? It gave very basic information, not very helpful at all.
Because it points out the truth about this whole affair. Sorry it didn't say what you wanted to hear.
It is? DVD was pretty clearly the format of choice by now. What's BR been out for 2 years?
Has it really been only 2 years? I remember Sony announcing it when I was still at least a year away from graduating.
You are muddling the confrontations here. Blu-ray won against HD-DVD in the fight for the HD optical media format. DVD isn't HD so it's not a contender. Streaming isn't an optical format so it isn't a contender.
DVD is still going strong, just as VHS was going strong for years after DVD was known to the next format. If you wish to contend that DVD is still dominate among all optical formats, fine; no one in their right mind will aver differently.
That is not to say that Blu-ray can somehow be usurped by DVD. The HD-DVD vs. Blu-ray battle did well to lower the prices faster than VHS or DVD were lowered. This has helped in some ways to hasten adoption by offering a lower pricepoint. It has also panicked some who don't want to buy the wrong format. Is that equal wash in sales, I can't say, but there is definitely some give and take there.
Upcoverting DVD players have countered the HD optical media adoption rate and will continue to stave off some people from adopting HD optical media. But this is only a stop-gate; not a permanent solution. The only possible way I see Blu-ray not becoming widely adopted is if internet bandwidth is increased dramatically. While this is happening constantly I don't expect to see High-Profile H.264 movies being streamed at comparable prices to renting DVDs for many years from cable and satellite providers or online movie rental sites. By the time streaming download meets or exceeds ou currently best HDTV resolution and quality Blu-ray will have become the dominate optical media being sold.
Remember the Laserdisc?
It's resolution was at the top of what TVs were at for the time. Clearly better than tape. Twice the resoloution in fact. It was around for 20 years. It never rose above the nich market.
Learn from history. People settled for half of what their TVs were capable of ( Tape ) for many years when there was an alternative available.
And about downloading we've been all over why that won't make it to mainstream replacement of the DVD.
It's called ownership and portability. Something HD downloads won't have due to the studios blocking it.
Has it really been only 2 years? I remember Sony announcing it when I was still at least a year away from graduating.
According to Wikipedia:I think using the date when titles were first for sale is the most relevant for me, which makes it 19 months old, but depending on you field yo u may want an earlier date.
where's your source? everything i see so far has still pointed to the 360 selling more even when they are getting hammered in japan, and i mean hammered.
and stop with this microsoft hate. i dont like them for certain things either but they are no where near sony in the cocky a55 department. dont make me recall all the PR crap sony did in its PS3 launch. they pull the same FUD (killzone CG trailer, features cut, games running at 1080p, emotion engine duing the ps2 days) strategy every god damn time and fanboys like you still eat it up.
WTF is up with you and "PR" ? I havent mentioned Sony PR, why do you have to? Should we REALLY move into PR stupidness? because there is just TOO much ammo on the ass hat M$ PR for me to even take you seriously.
It is? DVD was pretty clearly the format of choice by now. What's BR been out for 2 years?
That's long enough to see more movement if you want to compare.
" Anyone saying they are like your writer is probably a disgruntled HD-DVD owner that chose poorly to begin with. "
Jesus please wake up! Everything you see is tainted by your position on this. No one wants BR ( if it's going to be the HD home format ) to win more than I do!
What was the % of DVD compared to VHS? in 1998? Were you harping on about how no-one wanted DVD because it was clear that VHS "was in every home already" back then?
For someone who purports to be so wise, you sure do miss out certain "facts" when it suits you.