I would be a bit happier if the iPhone didn't lag all the time. You all know what I mean. Launch an app and wait. Click app what's around me then search, bit sure if you hit and are not sure it was hit so you do it again only to watch it open and close very quickly twice. Or how about deleting text in a post like this, you backspace for a few seconds and it doesn't stop deleting forcing you to re type. These are thing we put up with all the time. Wonder if ore solved any of theses glitches?????
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Originally Posted by mrochester
Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.
Banter means to talk, so it makes sense
They certainly worked hard on it, but perhaps not hard enough. This is one of the problems of taking a full blown computer OS and shoehorning it onto a device with very limited resources. I think Apple would have been better off starting from the ground up when designing its mobile OS, rather than starting with OSX and trying to work backwards. That way they would have been able to have all of the great features currently available, and fully multitasking!
And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
That was a joke and he fell for it. He will make any post just to add up his posting numbers.
Teckstudian logic would say that despite my numerous multi-quoted posts that actually make a statement beyond your canned anti-Apple, anti-AT&T rhetoric.
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Originally Posted by brucep
Seahawk banned ?? lol
Dude your speed is so low. Damn i feel bad for you. Anyway enjoy Las Vegas !!!! PLAY 12 and 18 for me on the roulette wheel !!
Get up right now and walk away from your computer.Go find some daylight !!
That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.
I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
As we?ve discuss ad nauseam the differences in call quality are mainly do to the radio technology used. GSM is not better than CDMA and the 700MHz WCDMA is not better than 850MHz WCDMA for penetrating objects.
Why you keep ignoring that all carriers in the US have bad spots is beyond me. Your personal issues with AT&T in your neck of the woods does not necessarily coincide with other people in other places.
Imlive near a college. Great reception. Wife works 2-3 miles away, we live in Pasadena ca now, she gets dropped calls all the time.
I would be a bit happier if the iPhone didn't lag all the time. You all know what I mean. Launch an app and wait. Click app what's around me then search, bit sure if you hit and are not sure it was hit so you do it again only to watch it open and close very quickly twice. Or how about deleting text in a post like this, you backspace for a few seconds and it doesn't stop deleting forcing you to re type. These are thing we put up with all the time. Wonder if ore solved any of theses glitches?????
The only time I had the typing issue, including backspacing, was with v2.0 to some version of 2.1.x or so. It took several months for Apple to update but I haven?t had the issue since. Even with v3.0 the issue is gone, though other issues, especially with the Maps app, with speed have creeped up.
I see no reason why an iPhone running a newer, faster ARM , with a better GPU and double the RAM should have the lag we get from the current system. As we make the OS more powerful there will always be some lag with the larger apps and other mobile OSes should trounce Apple in the app opening arena for at least a couple generations of iPhone HW, if not much longer.
That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.
I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
Dude can't sleep and must have checked out all the Pre lines on line- worked himself up into a tizzy. Don't worry - you'll make up for it by getting in line for your new Compass sometime soon. See he keeps positing as if this were his blog and we're actually interested in his mundane thoughts.
"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan apparently laughed about with John Markoff last Thursday morning. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."
Yep, so they hired EX PC guys that happens to be EX Apple guys. Since Palm can't even figure out how to make a decent phone on their own.
I remember that quote! Now look at them 2 years behind and still only came up with an also-ran device. I look at those teardown photos and I see an iPhone that is noticeably more elegant even with its guts spread out on a table.
I don't care how fancy it looks when it's closed - the Pre keypad is still a permanent inefficient waste of real-estate. Basic rule of mechanics, more moving parts = more chance of fatigue and failure. At the end of the day, the Pre is still the same 50/50 screen-keypad layout disaster that Steve Jobs appropriately mocked when he first announced the iPhone.
Funny thing, after playing with a Pre for over an hour - going back to my iPhone felt new and ahead of its time all over again.
This feature is so overrated. Sure that are instances that you would like to have two processes run coincide with each other. But is that worth the battery drainage? Sure you can cary a spare battery with you. Then you must add that to the mass of the phone which eventually will make your phone thicker on average. When the hardware is ready Apple will introduce multitasking. But at this moment the batteries and processors are not efficient enough to make this feature an enjoyable one.
This monday the new iPhone will come out and will have the same amount RAM and probably a processor that matches the Pres'. Then the dock connector will be open for 3rd party development. Which will by itself attract and create a whole new market. If a lot of companies start making hardware for the iPhone and use the iPhones' interface. The iPhone will really take off as the next big platform. The Pre will have all its starters issues. Which the iPhone already had. But hey when the iPhone had all these issues there were no better alternatives. Now there are and if Palm slips up enough the consumer will think twice.
We will see but I obviously believe that this phone is absolutely not a game changer. It's just a me too phone.
I don't know if you have read as many as reviews out there, but I have read every one. The only time people have had problems with the battery power is when they are what they call "road warriors" and use their phone, every little feature, quite literally 24/7. If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine -- in fact, just as fine as the iPhone. And if you do run out of battery, you can always switch it with a new one. Something the iPhone lacks. Oh, and at least I don't have to buy a new phone if my battery dies (or take it to Apple), all I have to do is go to Amazon and buy a new battery, and switch it.
I'm not happy with the idea of constantly switching 3G on and off. I use my device sporadically throughout the day, maybe once every 5-10mins or so for 30seconds to 2 minutes at a time. I would be switching 3G on and off about 20 times a day at least - major hassle. Full screen brightness is the level I am comfortable with.
A battery that lasts to the end of the business day would be fine instead of needing to be charged midway through the day
Yes S60 renders pages with full desktop web browser engine - surely you know this already?. And if all of those other aspects were important to me, I could have them too (N97), but they aren't, so I'm not so fussed there.
Bro, I've had an iPhone since the day it came out and have never had a battery or performance problem. Because of my business, I use it regularly throughout the day and fairly heavily at times. You seem like you just want to complain and frankly I'm tired of reading your posts. If you don't like the iPhone or find yourself wanting the people here to keep defending it, go get a different frickin phone! You're a complainer, and nobody will ever be able to make you happy. As a matter of fact, we don't want you to own an iPhone anymore, your privileges have been revoked. Back AWAY from the iPhone sir...
See he keeps positing as if this were his blog and we're actually interested in his mundane thoughts.
The difference is that I?m replying to a direct comment toward me, not just entering a thread to post how much Apple and AT&T suck, which you like to do even if the thread isn?t even about AT&T.
In all seriousness, you have to find all your hatred and negativity tiring. If you have a basement window around you perhaps you can maneuver your chains so you can look out it. Maybe some fat kid will bring you a Baby Ruth.
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Originally Posted by hiimamac
I love that the ore hascwireless charger. Youbcan play, talk whatever while charging. Sweet.
The Touchstone wireless charger is actually more cumbersome to use the device while charging. IT has to be magnetically adhered to the charging station which limits it?s range of motion. The iPhone/iPod and Palm Pre?s USB cable are much more useful in that it is easier to pick up the device to use while charging. The only real benefit is the ability to just lay it on the charging station instead of plugging it in, but how long does it take to plug in the 30-pin connector?
It is still cool tech. I am curious how the charging time compares to a direct plug in and if there is significant heat from the inductive charging.
Repairing the very deepest components is expected to be very difficult, if not impossible.
I would be surprised if Palm has any repair process for any component. These electronics components are not like the cylinder head of your car.
Repair of any specific component within ANY cellphone almost never happens. Instead, manufacturers replace failed components with brand new components.
If subassembly X fails, it is replaced with a new subassembly X. The failed component is then sold to a vendor where its raw materials are reclaimed.
Cell phone subcomponents are virtually NEVER repaired, except in the extremely rare case where an expensive subcomponent has a very common failure mode, and which can be permanently repaired very inexpensively.
Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.
Banter means to talk, so it makes sense
They certainly worked hard on it, but perhaps not hard enough. This is one of the problems of taking a full blown computer OS and shoehorning it onto a device with very limited resources. I think Apple would have been better off starting from the ground up when designing its mobile OS, rather than starting with OSX and trying to work backwards. That way they would have been able to have all of the great features currently available, and fully multitasking!
And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
Well, as has already been stated. Not all applications must have been doing something at the same time. Just opening applications that do nothing is just filling up the RAM. No thats not TRUE multitasking!
To banter means to speak to or address in a witty manner. English is not my first language but I even know this. And I don't see how that word applied in that context.
I'm not even going to respond to your last paragraph. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Talking about Apple having little resources. Even palm used some of Apples resources by hiring ex Apple employees that were heavily involved into developing the iPhone. Believe what you want to believe. But I think you should reconsider arguing the negative in this thread.
Why do you people always conveniently forget that Smartphone OSs have been multitasking for years, smoothly and elegantly? You banter on about it as if it was this new fangled feature that's in its infancy. Multitasking is incredibly useful for quickly and easily switching between applications instead of having to quit out of one, and start another from the launcher. Of course, it also means you can stay logged into IM clients, etc, and do other things at the same time. The iPhone doesn't have it simply because Apple didn't design the OS to be lean enough for the hardware it runs on. They could have quite easily done it if they had worked harder at it to reduce the footprint of the OS and apps, but they didn't, and that was their choice.
Not to mention that the iPhone DOES multitask, it just has a predetermined set of applications that multitask.
It'd be nice to somehow manually "award" one other app the ability to leave it running after closing. Let the user decide if the battery hit is worth it.
As for removable batteries, I've never understood why this is a big deal. I bought a battery for my iPhone - when I need to recharge I plug it in and it recharges as if I am plugged into a wall. I don't have to turn off the phone or take it apart. How is this solution inferior to having an internal replacement? The thing gives me TWO full charges, not just one.
What a stupid article. Of course they are similar in construction. They share the same characteristics and size. How else would you jam all that crap into handheld device?
NO. but the Pre would be both - smaller and thinner. My point is Apple should have had a smaller form factor of the iPhone ( another version like all phones have). It could have been a slider , making it smaller, but Pre has beat them to the punch.
I don't know if you have read as many as reviews out there, but I have read every one. The only time people have had problems with the battery power is when they are what they call "road warriors" and use their phone, every little feature, quite literally 24/7. If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine -- in fact, just as fine as the iPhone. And if you do run out of battery, you can always switch it with a new one. Something the iPhone lacks. Oh, and at least I don't have to buy a new phone if my battery dies (or take it to Apple), all I have to do is go to Amazon and buy a new battery, and switch it.
You are funny. I quote:
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Originally Posted by Macintosh_Next
If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine
No way you need multitasking for that now do you? David Pogue made a statement in his review about the battery being short of life. As I already stated. Multitasking isn't possible on a mobile device. What I said was that the hardware isn't efficient enough in order to really enjoy the option of multitasking.
Oh, and if you really are out of battery you can carry one of those third party external batteries. But road warriors are also a lot in cars etc. You can charge your phone in the car whilst you're on the road. I also charge my iPhone by just connecting it to my laptop. Can you do that with the pre? Real road warriors have at least a laptop with them.
When the iPhone came out the first time everybody was talking about the battery that was soldered to the circuit board. How that was inconvenient and that Apple will get into trouble for doing so. Because people had experienced before with previous phones that the battery was one of the elements that needed replacement often. The iPhone has been out for two years now. I haven't read any blog or partition that huge amounts of needed a battery replacement. Apple has a good quality battery in the iPhone. It charges fast and I haven't noticed that the charge cycles are getting shorter. I say, you don't need a replaceable battery when you don't need to replace your battery.
The iPhone doesn't have it simply because Apple didn't design the OS to be lean enough for the hardware it runs on. They could have quite easily done it if they had worked harder at it to reduce the footprint of the OS and apps, but they didn't, and that was their choice.
This is true in the sense that Apple chose to use Objective-C as the iPhone's development platform. It is much more powerful and robust than the development tools for every other mobile phone but also uses more system resources.
Your statements are not true in the sense that Apple could develop software that is both equally powerful and significantly more efficient.
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Originally Posted by mrochester
Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.
I don't believe this at all. If it were true Nokia would be using this fact in its marketing. At the very least if it were true it would have been mentioned in the last two years of debate about the iPhone multi-tasking.
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And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
The iPhone's battery life is dependent on how you use it. If you rarely used the internet or played games, the battery can last for a couple of days.
The reason for this is because on average they have 100 apps loaded on their phone and they are constantly using it. This is not the case for other phones.
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Originally Posted by teckstud
These fanboys make me laugh so hard. Every iPhone user I know in NYC:
1.) Has to constantly (daily) recharge their iPhone or leave it plugged in while using it. CONSTANTLY.
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Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.
Banter means to talk, so it makes sense
They certainly worked hard on it, but perhaps not hard enough. This is one of the problems of taking a full blown computer OS and shoehorning it onto a device with very limited resources. I think Apple would have been better off starting from the ground up when designing its mobile OS, rather than starting with OSX and trying to work backwards. That way they would have been able to have all of the great features currently available, and fully multitasking!
And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
That was a joke and he fell for it. He will make any post just to add up his posting numbers.
Teckstudian logic would say that despite my numerous multi-quoted posts that actually make a statement beyond your canned anti-Apple, anti-AT&T rhetoric.
Seahawk banned ?? lol
Dude your speed is so low. Damn i feel bad for you. Anyway enjoy Las Vegas !!!! PLAY 12 and 18 for me on the roulette wheel !!
Get up right now and walk away from your computer.Go find some daylight !!
That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.
I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
As we?ve discuss ad nauseam the differences in call quality are mainly do to the radio technology used. GSM is not better than CDMA and the 700MHz WCDMA is not better than 850MHz WCDMA for penetrating objects.
Why you keep ignoring that all carriers in the US have bad spots is beyond me. Your personal issues with AT&T in your neck of the woods does not necessarily coincide with other people in other places.
Imlive near a college. Great reception. Wife works 2-3 miles away, we live in Pasadena ca now, she gets dropped calls all the time.
I would be a bit happier if the iPhone didn't lag all the time. You all know what I mean. Launch an app and wait. Click app what's around me then search, bit sure if you hit and are not sure it was hit so you do it again only to watch it open and close very quickly twice. Or how about deleting text in a post like this, you backspace for a few seconds and it doesn't stop deleting forcing you to re type. These are thing we put up with all the time. Wonder if ore solved any of theses glitches?????
The only time I had the typing issue, including backspacing, was with v2.0 to some version of 2.1.x or so. It took several months for Apple to update but I haven?t had the issue since. Even with v3.0 the issue is gone, though other issues, especially with the Maps app, with speed have creeped up.
I see no reason why an iPhone running a newer, faster ARM , with a better GPU and double the RAM should have the lag we get from the current system. As we make the OS more powerful there will always be some lag with the larger apps and other mobile OSes should trounce Apple in the app opening arena for at least a couple generations of iPhone HW, if not much longer.
That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.
I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
Dude can't sleep and must have checked out all the Pre lines on line- worked himself up into a tizzy. Don't worry - you'll make up for it by getting in line for your new Compass sometime soon. See he keeps positing as if this were his blog and we're actually interested in his mundane thoughts.
Imlive near a college. Great reception. Wife works 2-3 miles away, we live in Pasadena ca now, she gets dropped calls all the time.
Count your blessings you don't live in NYC area and rely on AT&T.
8GB NOT expandable.
I love that the ore hascwireless charger. Youbcan play, talk whatever while charging. Sweet.
"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone," Ed Colligan apparently laughed about with John Markoff last Thursday morning. "PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."
Yep, so they hired EX PC guys that happens to be EX Apple guys. Since Palm can't even figure out how to make a decent phone on their own.
I remember that quote! Now look at them 2 years behind and still only came up with an also-ran device. I look at those teardown photos and I see an iPhone that is noticeably more elegant even with its guts spread out on a table.
I don't care how fancy it looks when it's closed - the Pre keypad is still a permanent inefficient waste of real-estate. Basic rule of mechanics, more moving parts = more chance of fatigue and failure. At the end of the day, the Pre is still the same 50/50 screen-keypad layout disaster that Steve Jobs appropriately mocked when he first announced the iPhone.
Funny thing, after playing with a Pre for over an hour - going back to my iPhone felt new and ahead of its time all over again.
Multitasking
This feature is so overrated. Sure that are instances that you would like to have two processes run coincide with each other. But is that worth the battery drainage? Sure you can cary a spare battery with you. Then you must add that to the mass of the phone which eventually will make your phone thicker on average. When the hardware is ready Apple will introduce multitasking. But at this moment the batteries and processors are not efficient enough to make this feature an enjoyable one.
This monday the new iPhone will come out and will have the same amount RAM and probably a processor that matches the Pres'. Then the dock connector will be open for 3rd party development. Which will by itself attract and create a whole new market. If a lot of companies start making hardware for the iPhone and use the iPhones' interface. The iPhone will really take off as the next big platform. The Pre will have all its starters issues. Which the iPhone already had. But hey when the iPhone had all these issues there were no better alternatives. Now there are and if Palm slips up enough the consumer will think twice.
We will see but I obviously believe that this phone is absolutely not a game changer. It's just a me too phone.
I don't know if you have read as many as reviews out there, but I have read every one. The only time people have had problems with the battery power is when they are what they call "road warriors" and use their phone, every little feature, quite literally 24/7. If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine -- in fact, just as fine as the iPhone. And if you do run out of battery, you can always switch it with a new one. Something the iPhone lacks. Oh, and at least I don't have to buy a new phone if my battery dies (or take it to Apple), all I have to do is go to Amazon and buy a new battery, and switch it.
I'm not happy with the idea of constantly switching 3G on and off. I use my device sporadically throughout the day, maybe once every 5-10mins or so for 30seconds to 2 minutes at a time. I would be switching 3G on and off about 20 times a day at least - major hassle. Full screen brightness is the level I am comfortable with.
A battery that lasts to the end of the business day would be fine instead of needing to be charged midway through the day
Yes S60 renders pages with full desktop web browser engine - surely you know this already?. And if all of those other aspects were important to me, I could have them too (N97), but they aren't, so I'm not so fussed there.
Bro, I've had an iPhone since the day it came out and have never had a battery or performance problem. Because of my business, I use it regularly throughout the day and fairly heavily at times. You seem like you just want to complain and frankly I'm tired of reading your posts. If you don't like the iPhone or find yourself wanting the people here to keep defending it, go get a different frickin phone! You're a complainer, and nobody will ever be able to make you happy. As a matter of fact, we don't want you to own an iPhone anymore, your privileges have been revoked. Back AWAY from the iPhone sir...
See he keeps positing as if this were his blog and we're actually interested in his mundane thoughts.
The difference is that I?m replying to a direct comment toward me, not just entering a thread to post how much Apple and AT&T suck, which you like to do even if the thread isn?t even about AT&T.
In all seriousness, you have to find all your hatred and negativity tiring. If you have a basement window around you perhaps you can maneuver your chains so you can look out it. Maybe some fat kid will bring you a Baby Ruth.
I love that the ore hascwireless charger. Youbcan play, talk whatever while charging. Sweet.
The Touchstone wireless charger is actually more cumbersome to use the device while charging. IT has to be magnetically adhered to the charging station which limits it?s range of motion. The iPhone/iPod and Palm Pre?s USB cable are much more useful in that it is easier to pick up the device to use while charging. The only real benefit is the ability to just lay it on the charging station instead of plugging it in, but how long does it take to plug in the 30-pin connector?
It is still cool tech. I am curious how the charging time compares to a direct plug in and if there is significant heat from the inductive charging.
Repairing the very deepest components is expected to be very difficult, if not impossible.
I would be surprised if Palm has any repair process for any component. These electronics components are not like the cylinder head of your car.
Repair of any specific component within ANY cellphone almost never happens. Instead, manufacturers replace failed components with brand new components.
If subassembly X fails, it is replaced with a new subassembly X. The failed component is then sold to a vendor where its raw materials are reclaimed.
Cell phone subcomponents are virtually NEVER repaired, except in the extremely rare case where an expensive subcomponent has a very common failure mode, and which can be permanently repaired very inexpensively.
Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.
Banter means to talk, so it makes sense
They certainly worked hard on it, but perhaps not hard enough. This is one of the problems of taking a full blown computer OS and shoehorning it onto a device with very limited resources. I think Apple would have been better off starting from the ground up when designing its mobile OS, rather than starting with OSX and trying to work backwards. That way they would have been able to have all of the great features currently available, and fully multitasking!
And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
Well, as has already been stated. Not all applications must have been doing something at the same time. Just opening applications that do nothing is just filling up the RAM. No thats not TRUE multitasking!
To banter means to speak to or address in a witty manner. English is not my first language but I even know this. And I don't see how that word applied in that context.
I'm not even going to respond to your last paragraph. You really have no idea what you're talking about. Talking about Apple having little resources. Even palm used some of Apples resources by hiring ex Apple employees that were heavily involved into developing the iPhone. Believe what you want to believe. But I think you should reconsider arguing the negative in this thread.
Why do you people always conveniently forget that Smartphone OSs have been multitasking for years, smoothly and elegantly? You banter on about it as if it was this new fangled feature that's in its infancy. Multitasking is incredibly useful for quickly and easily switching between applications instead of having to quit out of one, and start another from the launcher. Of course, it also means you can stay logged into IM clients, etc, and do other things at the same time. The iPhone doesn't have it simply because Apple didn't design the OS to be lean enough for the hardware it runs on. They could have quite easily done it if they had worked harder at it to reduce the footprint of the OS and apps, but they didn't, and that was their choice.
Not to mention that the iPhone DOES multitask, it just has a predetermined set of applications that multitask.
It'd be nice to somehow manually "award" one other app the ability to leave it running after closing. Let the user decide if the battery hit is worth it.
As for removable batteries, I've never understood why this is a big deal. I bought a battery for my iPhone - when I need to recharge I plug it in and it recharges as if I am plugged into a wall. I don't have to turn off the phone or take it apart. How is this solution inferior to having an internal replacement? The thing gives me TWO full charges, not just one.
NO. but the Pre would be both - smaller and thinner. My point is Apple should have had a smaller form factor of the iPhone ( another version like all phones have). It could have been a slider , making it smaller, but Pre has beat them to the punch.
The Pre isn't thinner than the iPhone.
I don't know if you have read as many as reviews out there, but I have read every one. The only time people have had problems with the battery power is when they are what they call "road warriors" and use their phone, every little feature, quite literally 24/7. If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine -- in fact, just as fine as the iPhone. And if you do run out of battery, you can always switch it with a new one. Something the iPhone lacks. Oh, and at least I don't have to buy a new phone if my battery dies (or take it to Apple), all I have to do is go to Amazon and buy a new battery, and switch it.
You are funny. I quote:
If, however, you just make calls, check your calander, use the Data/watch some movies or listen to some music, then your phone will do fine
No way you need multitasking for that now do you? David Pogue made a statement in his review about the battery being short of life. As I already stated. Multitasking isn't possible on a mobile device. What I said was that the hardware isn't efficient enough in order to really enjoy the option of multitasking.
Oh, and if you really are out of battery you can carry one of those third party external batteries. But road warriors are also a lot in cars etc. You can charge your phone in the car whilst you're on the road. I also charge my iPhone by just connecting it to my laptop. Can you do that with the pre? Real road warriors have at least a laptop with them.
When the iPhone came out the first time everybody was talking about the battery that was soldered to the circuit board. How that was inconvenient and that Apple will get into trouble for doing so. Because people had experienced before with previous phones that the battery was one of the elements that needed replacement often. The iPhone has been out for two years now. I haven't read any blog or partition that huge amounts of needed a battery replacement. Apple has a good quality battery in the iPhone. It charges fast and I haven't noticed that the charge cycles are getting shorter. I say, you don't need a replaceable battery when you don't need to replace your battery.
The iPhone doesn't have it simply because Apple didn't design the OS to be lean enough for the hardware it runs on. They could have quite easily done it if they had worked harder at it to reduce the footprint of the OS and apps, but they didn't, and that was their choice.
This is true in the sense that Apple chose to use Objective-C as the iPhone's development platform. It is much more powerful and robust than the development tools for every other mobile phone but also uses more system resources.
Your statements are not true in the sense that Apple could develop software that is both equally powerful and significantly more efficient.
Try an S60 Nokia for instance, and you'll see what I mean. On my old N95-8GB I could have *every* application on the phone open at once without any noticable difference in performance. That's true multitasking working elegantly and efficiently.
I don't believe this at all. If it were true Nokia would be using this fact in its marketing. At the very least if it were true it would have been mentioned in the last two years of debate about the iPhone multi-tasking.
And the iPhone has good battery life?! Don't make me laugh! The iPhone has the worst battery life on any device I've used in the last 3 years for mobile internet browsing. From taking if off charge just before 7am, my iPhone can be at 20% or less, easily, by 11am. Battery life is one of the biggest flaws of the iPhone!
The iPhone's battery life is dependent on how you use it. If you rarely used the internet or played games, the battery can last for a couple of days.
These fanboys make me laugh so hard. Every iPhone user I know in NYC:
1.) Has to constantly (daily) recharge their iPhone or leave it plugged in while using it. CONSTANTLY.
I love that the ore hascwireless charger. Youbcan play, talk whatever while charging. Sweet.
Posting from your iPhone I see....