I didnt like the pre at all, I dont like the iphone either.
In fact, its plain pitiful that NO American carrier lets you do simultaneous
voice and DATA.
I can't be in my browser looking for a restaurant in google maps or in a
'search near me' GPS type emulation *AND* tell the people waiting on the line
YES IM COMING.
Whats the point?
The pre multitasks but cant do voice and data and the iphone cant EVEN multitask...
Tell the carriers to build REAL networks. Its really sad how far behind we are.
Just out of curiosity... Have you ever tried doing that on an iPhone???!!! You can be on the phone and on the browser or on Goggle maps at the same time!
How can you say such a ridiculous thing when it is absolutely not true???!!!
I know the iPhone has multitasking. Multitasking isn't the problem. But letting the user or the program choose how or when to multitask is a very dangerous thing. On a desk- or laptop you don't have this problem very quickly. But on a phone with limited resources in processor power, RAM and battery life. I do believe that at this point Apple is using the best solution for these challenges.
I think calling it "very dangerous" is a little extreme, don't you?
Clearly there is a master list of apps that can run in the background. That's how the phone, the iPod, email, etc can run in the background. So what would be so dangerous about allowing the user, through a setting buried in the Settings app, add ONE SINGLE app to that list?
If battery life suffered, the user could change the selected app or disable the function entirely. 90% of users would never know the function was even there and their use of the phone would be unchanged. But for the 10% who want it, why not give them this very safe method of trying it out?
I'd love to be able to have Palringo running in the background about once a month when I am at an airport and want to chat, but also want to browse the web. I'd also love to let Pandora run in the background on the rare instance when I listen to it. As it is I hardly ever use it because when I do, my phone is cut down to be only an iPod.
You really think not allowing it at all is a better solution than what I describe above?
.....I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
I think calling it "very dangerous" is a little extreme, don't you?
Clearly there is a master list of apps that can run in the background. That's how the phone, the iPod, email, etc can run in the background. So what would be so dangerous about allowing the user, through a setting buried in the Settings app, add ONE SINGLE app to that list?
If battery life suffered, the user could change the selected app or disable the function entirely. 90% of users would never know the function was even there and their use of the phone would be unchanged. But for the 10% who want it, why not give them this very safe method of trying it out?
I'd love to be able to have Palringo running in the background about once a month when I am at an airport and want to chat, but also want to browse the web. I'd also love to let Pandora run in the background on the rare instance when I listen to it. As it is I hardly ever use it because when I do, my phone is cut down to be only an iPod.
You really think not allowing it at all is a better solution than what I describe above?
how many apps actually "run" in the background? i know the ipod app does. but email works by the badge system...just using alerts, not fully running. is that correct?
how many apps actually "run" in the background? i know the ipod app does. but email works by the badge system...just using alerts, not fully running. is that correct?
I don't know about email, but certainly the Phone runs in the background. And then of course there are all the hidden functions that run in the background too. So adding one more app would not be doubling the number of apps running in the background, it would only add a small percentage more activity. Plus, of course, the selected app would not always be running in the background, only when you actually used it and didn't exit it (which is a function Apple would have to enable somehow - maybe a special X that appears on the "blessed" app).
Actually, banter isn't a synonym for "talk", it specifically means "light hearted back-and-forth" or "a teasing exchange."
In the context of your original usage the better choice would have been something like "carry on" or "hold forth", with some connotation of tendentiousness.
I don't understand the complaints about the battery life and I use my phone fairly heavily for browsing, mail, and internet.
For multitasking, about the only app I can see any use to keep running in the background would be IM, and it's not necessary that it keep running. I use AIM for instance and I just set it to forward to my phone as an SMS when I'm not logged in. Problem solved. If I get an SMS IM, I can reply to as a normal IM. It doesn't need to be running 24x7. E-mail checks at intervals, so that's a no brainer, and web page states are automatically saved when you switch to something else. The simple fact is that the iPhone can multitask, but only for those system apps that apple allows. The apps that they do allow make sense and serve my needs. I feel no need to have 4 apps running at once, especially on a phone of all things. About the limit of what I do need to multitask works very well. iPod music while at the gym, with sms, and possibly web browsing to look up some odd fact or whatnot. Email, web, and sms pretty much sums up most of my activity.
With my typical use, I get about 3 days standby, and about 3 hours of actual 'on' usage. I've turned off push notifications as I have about 4 email accounts defined. I don't turn of 3G however. I use WiFi almost all the time with occasional 3g. I also occasionally use a game or an app. I would think my usage is pretty typical.I should note that I'm using 3.0 software which seems to turn off or minimize 3g usage when it's not needed (I don't know that for a fact, but I do notice a small delay before it 'connects' when I open a browser for instance.
Considering a typical laptop gets about 5-6 hours usage with a MUCH larger battery, IMO, it does very well considering it's not even as big as a laptop battery. On top of that, it has GPS, camera, touch screen interface, 480x320 full color screen, etc.
As to dropped calls, I actually had that issue. It turned out to be my sim card, not the phone. The Apple folks referred me to an AT&T store, who promptly replaced it after a few questions and my dropped call issues went away.
Count your blessings you don't live in NYC area and rely on AT&T.
I guess I must be uniquely lucky everytime I am in NYC (which is at least once a month): I get superb signals just about everywhere that I am (typicaly midtown all the way down to Battery Park).
I recall that there were a lot of complaints about the Edge version when first introduced, but is it really still true that the city gets lousy reception even with iPhone 3G? Can anyone who actually lives there confirm? (I.e., the question is not for teckstud).
Even when the iPhone gets the same (or similar) CPU, GPU and 256MB RAM, the Pre and other smartphones with lighter OSes should still be able to have more open apps than the iPhone. There seems to be some people who don?t realize that the iPhone OS X is pretty large in comparison to other mobile OSes despite how light it is in comparison with the desktop version. The previous poster who states that Apple was just being lazy by not making Mac OS X even lighter than it is for mobile use simply has no clue.
PS: I wouldn?t be surprised to have one new SW feature of the next iPhone be a background app or two now that there is double the RAM and more CPU at hand.
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Originally Posted by macnyc
Do you have anything to back that up? Have you ever used a cell phone abroad? I would never say ATT is great but then again I live in manhattan and don't get Verizon reception in my apartment.
If he did he wouldn?t be our beloved resident troll boy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by halfyearsun
The iphone on 3G allows simultaneous voice and data.
Just to be clear, any 3G network can do both voice and data. One of the downfalls of GSM over CDMA is that while on a CDMA2000 network you can make a call in CDMA which uses considerably less power than a WCDMA connection which will make a call in 3G.
Teckstudian logic would say that despite my numerous multi-quoted posts that actually make a statement beyond your canned anti-Apple, anti-AT&T rhetoric.
That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.
I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
Yea you get that ole 4am large empty supermarket blues with those errie lights.
'Mac' address? Wow, I did not know only Macs had MACs!
Welcome back.
In computer networking, a Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to most network adapters or network interface cards (NICs) by the manufacturer for identification, and used in the Media Access Control protocol sublayer. If assigned by the manufacturer, a MAC address usually encodes the manufacturer's registered identification number. It may also be known as an Ethernet Hardware Address (EHA), hardware address, adapter address, or physical address.
Constantly turning on an off a radio isn't an elegant solution. That's five taps on each startup and shut down that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion. Shouldn't the device do that kind of power management on its own?
It helps to "know your enemy", and a few of your statements show that you don't. Nokia uses Webkit. It only took me a minute to find that and to find that it has a compass. They do offer touch capability now, though that probably depends on the model.
I don't know how iPhone's applications are necessarily desktop class, they're nifty, but desktop class is overselling it. Maybe better than most other portable platforms. Maybe some iPhone apps are on the level of a relatively simple desktop applet, but most are of the complexity of a Dashboard widget. For example, there are a few very simple word processors, but nothing on the scale of Pages that I've seen, more like TextEdit at best.
Nokia uses QtWebKit and it's not a full WebKit port.
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I didnt like the pre at all, I dont like the iphone either.
In fact, its plain pitiful that NO American carrier lets you do simultaneous
voice and DATA.
As a matter of fact, we don't want you to own an iPhone anymore, your privileges have been revoked. Back AWAY from the iPhone sir...
Welcome! And by all means, please keep posting....
I didnt like the pre at all, I dont like the iphone either.
In fact, its plain pitiful that NO American carrier lets you do simultaneous
voice and DATA.
I can't be in my browser looking for a restaurant in google maps or in a
'search near me' GPS type emulation *AND* tell the people waiting on the line
YES IM COMING.
Whats the point?
The pre multitasks but cant do voice and data and the iphone cant EVEN multitask...
Tell the carriers to build REAL networks. Its really sad how far behind we are.
Just out of curiosity... Have you ever tried doing that on an iPhone???!!! You can be on the phone and on the browser or on Goggle maps at the same time!
How can you say such a ridiculous thing when it is absolutely not true???!!!
I know the iPhone has multitasking. Multitasking isn't the problem. But letting the user or the program choose how or when to multitask is a very dangerous thing. On a desk- or laptop you don't have this problem very quickly. But on a phone with limited resources in processor power, RAM and battery life. I do believe that at this point Apple is using the best solution for these challenges.
I think calling it "very dangerous" is a little extreme, don't you?
Clearly there is a master list of apps that can run in the background. That's how the phone, the iPod, email, etc can run in the background. So what would be so dangerous about allowing the user, through a setting buried in the Settings app, add ONE SINGLE app to that list?
If battery life suffered, the user could change the selected app or disable the function entirely. 90% of users would never know the function was even there and their use of the phone would be unchanged. But for the 10% who want it, why not give them this very safe method of trying it out?
I'd love to be able to have Palringo running in the background about once a month when I am at an airport and want to chat, but also want to browse the web. I'd also love to let Pandora run in the background on the rare instance when I listen to it. As it is I hardly ever use it because when I do, my phone is cut down to be only an iPod.
You really think not allowing it at all is a better solution than what I describe above?
.....I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
Make that reservation at Nobu 702/693 5090
Banter means to talk, so it makes sense
You're arguing with the guy who wrote:
"To a certain extend your comment..."
The iphone on 3G allows simultaneous voice and data.
Seriously, does the OP really not know that you can do voice and data on the iphone simultaneously on 3G?
I think calling it "very dangerous" is a little extreme, don't you?
Clearly there is a master list of apps that can run in the background. That's how the phone, the iPod, email, etc can run in the background. So what would be so dangerous about allowing the user, through a setting buried in the Settings app, add ONE SINGLE app to that list?
If battery life suffered, the user could change the selected app or disable the function entirely. 90% of users would never know the function was even there and their use of the phone would be unchanged. But for the 10% who want it, why not give them this very safe method of trying it out?
I'd love to be able to have Palringo running in the background about once a month when I am at an airport and want to chat, but also want to browse the web. I'd also love to let Pandora run in the background on the rare instance when I listen to it. As it is I hardly ever use it because when I do, my phone is cut down to be only an iPod.
You really think not allowing it at all is a better solution than what I describe above?
how many apps actually "run" in the background? i know the ipod app does. but email works by the badge system...just using alerts, not fully running. is that correct?
Seahawk banned ?? lol
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Not just banned, they appear to have nuked his account from orbit, which, of course, was the only way to be sure.
how many apps actually "run" in the background? i know the ipod app does. but email works by the badge system...just using alerts, not fully running. is that correct?
I don't know about email, but certainly the Phone runs in the background. And then of course there are all the hidden functions that run in the background too. So adding one more app would not be doubling the number of apps running in the background, it would only add a small percentage more activity. Plus, of course, the selected app would not always be running in the background, only when you actually used it and didn't exit it (which is a function Apple would have to enable somehow - maybe a special X that appears on the "blessed" app).
Originally Posted by mrochester
Banter means to talk, so it makes sense
Actually, banter isn't a synonym for "talk", it specifically means "light hearted back-and-forth" or "a teasing exchange."
In the context of your original usage the better choice would have been something like "carry on" or "hold forth", with some connotation of tendentiousness.
For multitasking, about the only app I can see any use to keep running in the background would be IM, and it's not necessary that it keep running. I use AIM for instance and I just set it to forward to my phone as an SMS when I'm not logged in. Problem solved. If I get an SMS IM, I can reply to as a normal IM. It doesn't need to be running 24x7. E-mail checks at intervals, so that's a no brainer, and web page states are automatically saved when you switch to something else. The simple fact is that the iPhone can multitask, but only for those system apps that apple allows. The apps that they do allow make sense and serve my needs. I feel no need to have 4 apps running at once, especially on a phone of all things. About the limit of what I do need to multitask works very well. iPod music while at the gym, with sms, and possibly web browsing to look up some odd fact or whatnot. Email, web, and sms pretty much sums up most of my activity.
With my typical use, I get about 3 days standby, and about 3 hours of actual 'on' usage. I've turned off push notifications as I have about 4 email accounts defined. I don't turn of 3G however. I use WiFi almost all the time with occasional 3g. I also occasionally use a game or an app. I would think my usage is pretty typical.I should note that I'm using 3.0 software which seems to turn off or minimize 3g usage when it's not needed (I don't know that for a fact, but I do notice a small delay before it 'connects' when I open a browser for instance.
Considering a typical laptop gets about 5-6 hours usage with a MUCH larger battery, IMO, it does very well considering it's not even as big as a laptop battery. On top of that, it has GPS, camera, touch screen interface, 480x320 full color screen, etc.
As to dropped calls, I actually had that issue. It turned out to be my sim card, not the phone. The Apple folks referred me to an AT&T store, who promptly replaced it after a few questions and my dropped call issues went away.
Count your blessings you don't live in NYC area and rely on AT&T.
I guess I must be uniquely lucky everytime I am in NYC (which is at least once a month): I get superb signals just about everywhere that I am (typicaly midtown all the way down to Battery Park).
I recall that there were a lot of complaints about the Edge version when first introduced, but is it really still true that the city gets lousy reception even with iPhone 3G? Can anyone who actually lives there confirm? (I.e., the question is not for teckstud).
The iPhone has 128MB of RAM. The Pre has 256MB.
Even when the iPhone gets the same (or similar) CPU, GPU and 256MB RAM, the Pre and other smartphones with lighter OSes should still be able to have more open apps than the iPhone. There seems to be some people who don?t realize that the iPhone OS X is pretty large in comparison to other mobile OSes despite how light it is in comparison with the desktop version. The previous poster who states that Apple was just being lazy by not making Mac OS X even lighter than it is for mobile use simply has no clue.
PS: I wouldn?t be surprised to have one new SW feature of the next iPhone be a background app or two now that there is double the RAM and more CPU at hand.
Do you have anything to back that up? Have you ever used a cell phone abroad? I would never say ATT is great but then again I live in manhattan and don't get Verizon reception in my apartment.
If he did he wouldn?t be our beloved resident troll boy.
The iphone on 3G allows simultaneous voice and data.
Just to be clear, any 3G network can do both voice and data. One of the downfalls of GSM over CDMA is that while on a CDMA2000 network you can make a call in CDMA which uses considerably less power than a WCDMA connection which will make a call in 3G.
Dude your speed is so low. Damn i feel bad for you. Anyway enjoy Las Vegas !!!! PLAY 12 and 18 for me on the roulette wheel !!
Get up right now and walk away from your computer.Go find some daylight !!
Why? If AppleInsider had a more secure way of keeping someone out rather than email verification I'd be more concerned.
AI ever thought of Mac Address for verification? It may be a little more secure.
solipsism
brucep
addabox
Under any name I wil always be here to keep Shit heads like you in check.
Not just banned, they appear to have nuked his account from orbit, which, of course, was the only way to be sure.
This guy's demon's had demon's.
I feel sorry for these lost trolls who carry around so much pain.
Everyone here tried to reason with him .
peace
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Seahawk banned ?? lol
Dude your speed is so low. Damn i feel bad for you. Anyway enjoy Las Vegas !!!! PLAY 12 and 18 for me on the roulette wheel !!
Get up right now and walk away from your computer.Go find some daylight !!
Why? If AppleInsider had a more secure way of keeping someone out rather than email verification I'd be more concerned.
AI ever thought of Mac Address for verification? It may be a little more secure.
solipsism
brucep
addabox
Under any name I wil always be here to keep Shit heads like you in check.
'Mac' address? Wow, I did not know only Macs had MACs!
Welcome back.
Teckstudian logic would say that despite my numerous multi-quoted posts that actually make a statement beyond your canned anti-Apple, anti-AT&T rhetoric.
That is about half of my AT&T max and about 70% of my norm.
I am out in the daylight. I have been given a cabana at Hard Rock?s Rehab pool. The all day party starts at 10:30am. It?s only 8am here, my friends are still sleeping or driving over from Cali, and it?s too early for mojitos, thought I did have a mimosa with breakfast.
Craps and blackjack are my games. It?s too early to gamble, I don?t care for a dead casino? or the weirdos that gamble in the AM, it?s a lot like Wal-Mart in the middle of the night.
Yea you get that ole 4am large empty supermarket blues with those errie lights.
ENJOY.
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'Mac' address? Wow, I did not know only Macs had MACs!
Welcome back.
In computer networking, a Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to most network adapters or network interface cards (NICs) by the manufacturer for identification, and used in the Media Access Control protocol sublayer. If assigned by the manufacturer, a MAC address usually encodes the manufacturer's registered identification number. It may also be known as an Ethernet Hardware Address (EHA), hardware address, adapter address, or physical address.
Constantly turning on an off a radio isn't an elegant solution. That's five taps on each startup and shut down that shouldn't be necessary in my opinion. Shouldn't the device do that kind of power management on its own?
It helps to "know your enemy", and a few of your statements show that you don't. Nokia uses Webkit. It only took me a minute to find that and to find that it has a compass. They do offer touch capability now, though that probably depends on the model.
I don't know how iPhone's applications are necessarily desktop class, they're nifty, but desktop class is overselling it. Maybe better than most other portable platforms. Maybe some iPhone apps are on the level of a relatively simple desktop applet, but most are of the complexity of a Dashboard widget. For example, there are a few very simple word processors, but nothing on the scale of Pages that I've seen, more like TextEdit at best.
Nokia uses QtWebKit and it's not a full WebKit port.