It will be interesting to see if a mechanical hack (i.e., cutting an iPhone SIM card to size*) will allow connection to unlimited data. That of course will not solve the tethering issue itself unless you have an unlocked iPhone (legally or otherwise) and a carrier that allows tethering. I for one will be happy to read about cutting down the SIM card and ways of shimming it back into the iPhone since it sounds VERY unstable to me.
That is truly a hack.
There are plenty of indie cell phone stores that have a machine to copy a Sim to a mini Sim. From what I hear, the charge is minimal.
Sorry, but no. This is as untrue as anything you could possibly post. I usually agree with you, but you are substantially off base with your comments re: the word Unlimited.
Unlimited time
Unlimited data usage
Unlimited bandwidth
Unlimited devices
All of those refer to a way a carrier could offer an unlimited service and simply stating unlimited on a poster does not and should not infer that all four of those items are considered unlimited. As i've stated, I'm not a fan of the US marketing system. I think they should be required to disclose more info pre-contract because many people just don't know better when it comes to how the technogy works. Though it should be clear in the contract that tethering is not allowed while unlimited data usage is permitted.
I think what happens is that in a predominantly male-oriented culture (the tech geeks), made up of individuals with a very binary world view of things (like Jobs everything is either "fantastic" or "shit"), that a lot of angry, angry young men project their *own "asshole-ishness" onto the figure of Jobs to justify their own anger and frustration. Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.
If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.
In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.
In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.
In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.
Let's throw it back to Apple, if that makes some of you happy. If Apple has a (more expensive) 3G model, why allow tethering on the less-expensive wifi model? It's not evil, it's business. I wish it were different, as a consumer, but Apple *knows* the iPad will be huge and that demand will be high. I'd do the same thing in Apple's unibody shoes.
If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.
Too bad this is happening to you but as I stated a few pages back, I do this whenever I come to the US. I use my Nokia on a prepaid AT&T card, and connect my MBP or my iPhone to it. AT&T has zero point zero clue as to what is going on.
Here in Finland, the operators actually have lives and try to encourage data usage. Before you offer up the lame-o argument that Finland is not as large as the US, I also pointed out proportionality there is no difference. Well one. Here in Finland the operators planned for and built out for grow rather than just pocketing all the money and then blaming the subscribers.
In short, US networks and the guys running them suck. My son is a manager at Verizon and he says Verizon is run by satan himself with AT&T being not much better.
Too bad this is happening to you but as I stated a few pages back, I do this whenever I come to the US. I use my Nokia on a prepaid AT&T card, and connect my MBP or my iPhone to it. AT&T has zero point zero clue as to what is going on.
Here in Finland, the operators actually have lives and try to encourage data usage. Before you offer up the lame-o argument that Finland is not as large as the US, I also pointed out proportionality there is no difference. Well one. Here in Finland the operators planned for and built out for grow rather than just pocketing all the money and then blaming the subscribers.
In short, US networks and the guys running them suck. My son is a manager at Verizon and he says Verizon is run by satan himself with AT&T being not much better.
It's actually better in Canada, but Rogers has certain limits as well, but I find them quite a bit more flexible than what I'm seeing from US carriers. Besides, carrier competition in Canada is heating up.
It's actually better in Canada, but Rogers has certain limits as well, but I find them quite a bit more flexible than what I'm seeing from US carriers. Besides, carrier competition in Canada is heating up.
This is a good thing. You guys need competition and a different business model. Here it is usage based, i.e. make a call you pay for it. It is free to receive calls, and subscriptions (when there are any) are very flexible. Here you can get an iPhone on a one year contract, and unlocked at the end of the contract or you can get an iPhone, pay out the contract, have it unlocked BUT you will still have to "retain" the original SIM card for one year. Many people do this. They buy the phone outright. Unlock it, turn off all services on the contract SIM to where it is about ?1 a month, then they go and find better deals from other operators and put these SIMs in the phone.
Let's not have an unnecessary Sunday morning linguistics battle, okay?
He did not say "To wit, Lithuania is not in 'Europe.'" As, the U.S. is but one country that cannot speak for other country policies, so it is for Lithuania vis a vis other European countries. (at least, I think that's what he meant)
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It will be interesting to see if a mechanical hack (i.e., cutting an iPhone SIM card to size*) will allow connection to unlimited data. That of course will not solve the tethering issue itself unless you have an unlocked iPhone (legally or otherwise) and a carrier that allows tethering. I for one will be happy to read about cutting down the SIM card and ways of shimming it back into the iPhone since it sounds VERY unstable to me.
That is truly a hack.
There are plenty of indie cell phone stores that have a machine to copy a Sim to a mini Sim. From what I hear, the charge is minimal.
Sorry, but no. This is as untrue as anything you could possibly post. I usually agree with you, but you are substantially off base with your comments re: the word Unlimited.
Unlimited time
Unlimited data usage
Unlimited bandwidth
Unlimited devices
All of those refer to a way a carrier could offer an unlimited service and simply stating unlimited on a poster does not and should not infer that all four of those items are considered unlimited. As i've stated, I'm not a fan of the US marketing system. I think they should be required to disclose more info pre-contract because many people just don't know better when it comes to how the technogy works. Though it should be clear in the contract that tethering is not allowed while unlimited data usage is permitted.
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I think what happens is that in a predominantly male-oriented culture (the tech geeks), made up of individuals with a very binary world view of things (like Jobs everything is either "fantastic" or "shit"), that a lot of angry, angry young men project their *own "asshole-ishness" onto the figure of Jobs to justify their own anger and frustration. Far from being a bunch of doe-eyed fans praising his every move, what I see is a group of angry young men backhandedly justifying their own anger by projecting it onto Steve Jobs.
Kudos.
If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.
In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.
In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.
It does in the US.
Are you challenged some way. Read my tagline.
Did I ever say I do not live in Finland? I work here, I am not FInnish, I am American. Are you really not getting this?
Solipsism explained this to you a while back and you still seem confused.
DAMN SAM i am f ing joking with you
i thought it was very nice to be in your tag line ,
saying i knew from your accent is a joke since i can;t really hear your accent on line ..now can i ??
anyway i like your posts so lets be buddie;s ok
peace
In my country I get to choose where, how, when and on how many devices i Wish to use it. And I get true unlimited, so it doesn't make difference for carriers.
And where exactly would that be?
It does in the US.
US is not the whole world.
And where exactly would that be?
Lithuania.
US is not the whole world.
Your point being?
If you think your carrier will allow tethering on a wifi handheld device for which there is already a 3G model, you've got another thing coming.
Too bad this is happening to you but as I stated a few pages back, I do this whenever I come to the US. I use my Nokia on a prepaid AT&T card, and connect my MBP or my iPhone to it. AT&T has zero point zero clue as to what is going on.
Here in Finland, the operators actually have lives and try to encourage data usage. Before you offer up the lame-o argument that Finland is not as large as the US, I also pointed out proportionality there is no difference. Well one. Here in Finland the operators planned for and built out for grow rather than just pocketing all the money and then blaming the subscribers.
In short, US networks and the guys running them suck. My son is a manager at Verizon and he says Verizon is run by satan himself with AT&T being not much better.
Your point being?
Tethering should be option where it's legaly allowed. And here, in Europe" it's pretty much allowed.
Too bad this is happening to you but as I stated a few pages back, I do this whenever I come to the US. I use my Nokia on a prepaid AT&T card, and connect my MBP or my iPhone to it. AT&T has zero point zero clue as to what is going on.
Here in Finland, the operators actually have lives and try to encourage data usage. Before you offer up the lame-o argument that Finland is not as large as the US, I also pointed out proportionality there is no difference. Well one. Here in Finland the operators planned for and built out for grow rather than just pocketing all the money and then blaming the subscribers.
In short, US networks and the guys running them suck. My son is a manager at Verizon and he says Verizon is run by satan himself with AT&T being not much better.
It's actually better in Canada, but Rogers has certain limits as well, but I find them quite a bit more flexible than what I'm seeing from US carriers. Besides, carrier competition in Canada is heating up.
It's actually better in Canada, but Rogers has certain limits as well, but I find them quite a bit more flexible than what I'm seeing from US carriers. Besides, carrier competition in Canada is heating up.
This is a good thing. You guys need competition and a different business model. Here it is usage based, i.e. make a call you pay for it. It is free to receive calls, and subscriptions (when there are any) are very flexible. Here you can get an iPhone on a one year contract, and unlocked at the end of the contract or you can get an iPhone, pay out the contract, have it unlocked BUT you will still have to "retain" the original SIM card for one year. Many people do this. They buy the phone outright. Unlock it, turn off all services on the contract SIM to where it is about ?1 a month, then they go and find better deals from other operators and put these SIMs in the phone.
@Povilas,
I agree with you. Europe has much more liberal and smart policy regarding phone usage.
Tethering should be option where it's legaly allowed. And here, in Europe" it's pretty much allowed.
To wit, Lithuania is not "Europe."
To wit, Lithuania is not "Europe."
Hmmmm..... http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Lituania
To wit, Lithuania is not "Europe."
Really?
Really?
Let's not have an unnecessary Sunday morning linguistics battle, okay?
He did not say "To wit, Lithuania is not in 'Europe.'" As, the U.S. is but one country that cannot speak for other country policies, so it is for Lithuania vis a vis other European countries. (at least, I think that's what he meant)