Just out of curiosity (I don't use classic very often); how does classic apps perform now (how Snappy?), when the environment is double-buffered? Does it have any impact on performance, or is this just a win-win feature?
have to agree with millhouse - 7B21 is way buggier than 7A*. Apple clearly spent lots of time rounding off 7A21 for WWDC and did a v good job. 7B21 is more experimental I think ( there were good builds and bad builds of jag too).
Roll on the next update. Given the quality of 7A21 still think we'll see Panther in September.
Hey. At least we Mac users are smart enough to know that a SIT or HQX is Stuffit and our computers usually come with the tools to open them as well as ZIP files. Windows doesn't. The only good reason for Stuffit now is to provide OS 7-9 compatability.
Still, I'd rather have an option. I mentioned before why.
HQX is not StuffIt. It's not compression at all, just encoding for resource forks.
1. Are there any new formats for printing iCal Calendars, ie. Franklin Planner or Day Timer formats? Or can you Export... to other formats?
2. Are the buttons to the right on the Cocoa Font Panel Toolbar built in Drop Shadow effects?
1. Nope, no new export formats. Remember, folks, that this isn't a "whole integer" update to iCal. On the whole, it only has minor interface changes so far.
I'm on a 12" PB, too and am getting a crash after opening Address Book as well. If you look at the stack trace, it's crashing after IOBluetoothLocalDeviceAvailable... I've tried it with BT on and off and it fails the same way each time.
That's what I thought was happening, too. Too bad I can't send a bug report to Apple. I hope someone will.
re: using Exposé to drag and drop to a folder... This actually works for me. What I'm doing:
1. Finder window is open, with 2 photoshp documents inside of it.
2. I select and drag one of the documents to the Exposé desktop corner (in my case, the bottom right).
3. Once the windows are all out of the way (and actually, semi-visible at the edges, unlike te original Panther release where all windows were simply off of the screen), I continue to drag the file to the hard drive icon. I get the plus icon modifier, as i'm copying the file from another drive.
4. I wait until the spring-loaded action starts, and can navigate my way around until I find the folder I want to put the file into.
This works for me. I'm confused as to why the other user would get a circle/line icon modifier instead of the plus. Or is this not what you asked?
Basically whatever you're hovering a file over just opens up in front of you, while you're still dragging the file. For example, in the Finder, there's spring-loaded folders.
Anyway, it seems like the Panther builds are looking better and better. I'm coming back here everyday to see if the final release may come out to be something that I'd buy.
re: using Exposé to drag and drop to a folder... This actually works for me. What I'm doing:
1. Finder window is open, with 2 photoshp documents inside of it.
2. I select and drag one of the documents to the Exposé desktop corner (in my case, the bottom right).
3. Once the windows are all out of the way (and actually, semi-visible at the edges, unlike te original Panther release where all windows were simply off of the screen), I continue to drag the file to the hard drive icon. I get the plus icon modifier, as i'm copying the file from another drive.
4. I wait until the spring-loaded action starts, and can navigate my way around until I find the folder I want to put the file into.
This works for me. I'm confused as to why the other user would get a circle/line icon modifier instead of the plus. Or is this not what you asked?
No, that's exactly what I asked. I'm really happy to hear that this works - thank you!
Re: those semi-visible windows at the edges in 3. above, can you drag to one of those windows? What happens?
the semi-visible windows dont really do anything when dragging files... they dont respond at all. however, if you havent started dragging anything, clicking on any of them will bring all the windows back, but indiscriminately... clicking on one doesnt bring that one to the front.
2) I have a bunch of windows open on the screen, and frontmost is a finder window. Can I complete a drag-drop operation by dragging a file to the 'Exposé desktop' corner, hovering over my hard drive, then navigating via spring-loaded folders to a location nested within?
Yes. I just did it. Undo works for that copy operation too.
Hell, I'd have paid 1/2 price for the "buggy" developer builds.
What do they do anyway? Do they just expand on Jaguar or do they rewrite some things to work better? And is half price half of what Jaguar costed?
I dunno about Expose..I don't think I've ever tried anything like it. However, it probably would be useful. Maybe they should spend a little time on interface customization, but that's just my opinion.
What do they do anyway? Do they just expand on Jaguar or do they rewrite some things to work better? And is half price half of what Jaguar costed?
Well, new features (Exposé, fast user switching, new open/save dialogs, built-in faxing) and new apps (iChat AV, Font Book, Activity Monitor, etc) expand on Jaguar's feature set. But also many, many components of the OS and apps have also been revised or rewritten. Not to mention the reports of improved UI responsiveness.
altkev was just saying that he'd easily pay $65 just for the Panther dev builds, as there's so much that's been improved. I wouldn't expect Panther to cost anything less than full price.
Anyway -- just read, and look at the screenshots, in this thread and the previous WWDC build thread. It appears that nearly every part of the OS has been updated to some degree.
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I dunno about Expose..I don't think I've ever tried anything like it. However, it probably would be useful.
Well, that's not a surprising reaction to an innovative feature, eh? All I can say is every bone in my body says that Exposé will be very, very useful for me.
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Roll on the next update. Given the quality of 7A21 still think we'll see Panther in September.
Originally posted by Jasoco
Hey. At least we Mac users are smart enough to know that a SIT or HQX is Stuffit and our computers usually come with the tools to open them as well as ZIP files. Windows doesn't. The only good reason for Stuffit now is to provide OS 7-9 compatability.
Still, I'd rather have an option. I mentioned before why.
HQX is not StuffIt. It's not compression at all, just encoding for resource forks.
2. Are the buttons to the right on the Cocoa Font Panel Toolbar built in Drop Shadow effects?
Originally posted by imho
2. Are the buttons to the right on the Cocoa Font Panel Toolbar built in Drop Shadow effects?
Yes, and the effect look really good.
P.
Originally posted by imho
1. Are there any new formats for printing iCal Calendars, ie. Franklin Planner or Day Timer formats? Or can you Export... to other formats?
2. Are the buttons to the right on the Cocoa Font Panel Toolbar built in Drop Shadow effects?
1. Nope, no new export formats. Remember, folks, that this isn't a "whole integer" update to iCal. On the whole, it only has minor interface changes so far.
2 TextEdit - Shadow Effects
Originally posted by philrobin
Yes, and the effect look really good.
P.
no, they are technically good, but visually awful...
Originally posted by BaxterG4
I'm on a 12" PB, too and am getting a crash after opening Address Book as well. If you look at the stack trace, it's crashing after IOBluetoothLocalDeviceAvailable... I've tried it with BT on and off and it fails the same way each time.
That's what I thought was happening, too. Too bad I can't send a bug report to Apple. I hope someone will.
Originally posted by Jellytussle
Check out Print Center (Centre) - you can make any printer a Desktop Printer, and there's a 'Pool Printers' option as well.
You mean Dock Printer, right?
What does "Pool Printers" do?
1. Finder window is open, with 2 photoshp documents inside of it.
2. I select and drag one of the documents to the Exposé desktop corner (in my case, the bottom right).
3. Once the windows are all out of the way (and actually, semi-visible at the edges, unlike te original Panther release where all windows were simply off of the screen), I continue to drag the file to the hard drive icon. I get the plus icon modifier, as i'm copying the file from another drive.
4. I wait until the spring-loaded action starts, and can navigate my way around until I find the folder I want to put the file into.
This works for me. I'm confused as to why the other user would get a circle/line icon modifier instead of the plus. Or is this not what you asked?
Originally posted by Ilja
What is springloaded?
Basically whatever you're hovering a file over just opens up in front of you, while you're still dragging the file. For example, in the Finder, there's spring-loaded folders.
Anyway, it seems like the Panther builds are looking better and better. I'm coming back here everyday to see if the final release may come out to be something that I'd buy.
I'm coming back here everyday to see if the final release may come out to be something that I'd buy.
Hell, I'd have paid 1/2 price for the "buggy" developer builds.
Originally posted by alternatekev
re: using Exposé to drag and drop to a folder... This actually works for me. What I'm doing:
1. Finder window is open, with 2 photoshp documents inside of it.
2. I select and drag one of the documents to the Exposé desktop corner (in my case, the bottom right).
3. Once the windows are all out of the way (and actually, semi-visible at the edges, unlike te original Panther release where all windows were simply off of the screen), I continue to drag the file to the hard drive icon. I get the plus icon modifier, as i'm copying the file from another drive.
4. I wait until the spring-loaded action starts, and can navigate my way around until I find the folder I want to put the file into.
This works for me. I'm confused as to why the other user would get a circle/line icon modifier instead of the plus. Or is this not what you asked?
No, that's exactly what I asked. I'm really happy to hear that this works - thank you!
Re: those semi-visible windows at the edges in 3. above, can you drag to one of those windows? What happens?
Originally posted by dglow
2) I have a bunch of windows open on the screen, and frontmost is a finder window. Can I complete a drag-drop operation by dragging a file to the 'Exposé desktop' corner, hovering over my hard drive, then navigating via spring-loaded folders to a location nested within?
Yes. I just did it. Undo works for that copy operation too.
Originally posted by alternatekev
Hell, I'd have paid 1/2 price for the "buggy" developer builds.
What do they do anyway? Do they just expand on Jaguar or do they rewrite some things to work better? And is half price half of what Jaguar costed?
I dunno about Expose..I don't think I've ever tried anything like it. However, it probably would be useful. Maybe they should spend a little time on interface customization, but that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by jwill
What do they do anyway? Do they just expand on Jaguar or do they rewrite some things to work better? And is half price half of what Jaguar costed?
Well, new features (Exposé, fast user switching, new open/save dialogs, built-in faxing) and new apps (iChat AV, Font Book, Activity Monitor, etc) expand on Jaguar's feature set. But also many, many components of the OS and apps have also been revised or rewritten. Not to mention the reports of improved UI responsiveness.
altkev was just saying that he'd easily pay $65 just for the Panther dev builds, as there's so much that's been improved. I wouldn't expect Panther to cost anything less than full price.
Anyway -- just read, and look at the screenshots, in this thread and the previous WWDC build thread. It appears that nearly every part of the OS has been updated to some degree.
I dunno about Expose..I don't think I've ever tried anything like it. However, it probably would be useful.
Well, that's not a surprising reaction to an innovative feature, eh? All I can say is every bone in my body says that Exposé will be very, very useful for me.