poisednoise

arkorott said:

oh, come on guys. Don't need to get into relentless personal attacks. Let DBK be.
He is not WT.... he does not seem to attack people. 

I do hope the update gets published sometime so we can talk about the TB instead.

I agree I'd love to have the update, but I don't see any hope of that.

I also agree that DBK does get the brunt of it quite a bit, but to suggest he never attacks people is crazy. Sure they may be (in his eyes at least) in response to other unprovoked attacks, but that doesn't make them any less attacks. I'm simply not engaging with him any more, because I can't see anyone gains by it.

How many times has he called people liars? In the last 25 posts?

For me this delay is even more unforgivable than a four year delay on the textblade.

• Unlike the textblade, this task was easily measurable - it should have been easy to estimate how long it was going to take.
• It's also very clear from his updates that he did not even begin to think about writing this until after the original deadline of end of the month. 
• When we finally see this update I may be proven wrong, but I suspect it is not going to be a report of several tens of thousands of words. I'm anticipating something which if you printed it out would come out as two sides of paper: quite easy for most of us (even if some research were involved) to knock out in a couple of hours at most.
• He's missed three self-imposed deadlines now in as many days. If he can't even produce a bit of text anywhere close to a deadline, it becomes even clearer why it is that we haven't seen the keyboard yet.

dabigkahuna said:

poisednoise said:

... and I'll also point out that I never suggested that you refused to post. That would patently be one of the most ridiculous accusations ever.

Fine, so let's see how this plays out. What is something "of value" that you think should be posted by me?

No, you can see how it “plays out” without me, because we all know by now how it always does “play out”. You wrestle and worry at words that have clear meanings until all the stuffing has been shaken out of them and you’re left with a sorry-looking husk of a rag, convinced that what you hold is a trophy worthy of all the bluster while the rest of us look on in wonder at how we arrived this far off-topic. 

Had I answered instead of Alex, I’d probably have gone for “Nothing”, simply because of the excellent quote from Lear. But Silence, from you and me, will do.

I’m not getting drawn into your vortex of guff a third time in this thread “Dabigkahuna”. I’ve given you a brand new stuffed toy. You can play on your own. 

It seems to me that this thread is getting into the endgame - DBK refuses to post anything of value, everyone else's posts have devolved into taunting him to contribute...

Just before this whole thread self-implodes, I thought I should post my own personal experience:

Ordered in early March 2015. My order confirmation email stated that "Your purchase has secured your priority date." Whatever that meant.

No further communication from Waytools, at any point. I have not changed my email address for 20 years, so it definitely didn't get lost.

After a couple of years, forgot about it so completely that this review didn't even remind me - it was only when I went onto their website to look at their publicity that my order popped up. I've moved twice since my order, so updated my address details etc this week.

Waited for the "update before the end of the month" from Waytools, which, surprise, hasn't arrived. It's meant to be coming later on, but frankly, I don't believe it, and even when it does come the preamble MK has produced suggests it won't be anything more than the usual "amazing things have been happening, great strides are being made, and like a glacier, we have moved forwards 3 feet while simultaneously retreating by 1.5 miles".

Cancelled this morning and received this rather amusing confirmation:



I have no idea why I should care about all those other dates, not least because without a year to pin them down they're completely nonsensical.

The truth is it would have been a fun toy. I don't type enough away from my computer to need it, and since its first announcement other options like the iPad smart keyboard have come along also, which while clearly being merely an evolution rather than a revolution, suit me just fine. If a textblade eventually ever appears in the wild somewhere I can actually go look at it I may go and have a play, but honestly, it's probably not worth it for me.

dabigkahuna said:

poisednoise said:

dabigkahuna said:

...People just using terms to promote their personal view. 

My understanding is that it is acknowledged by all parties that objectively, final production units ("General Release") have not yet been sent to anyone. On that basis the only possible reason to claim that "units have shipped to customers" is to attempt to obfuscate.

Seems to me the only people trying to promote their personal view are WT and, possibly, DBK.

So you think using terms like “prototype” isn’t misleading?

btw, at certain times, if the units we had turned out to be satisfactory, those would have been our final units. It is only because of the paint that we know these won’t be. 

Frankly, I think using any term when responding to you is misleading, because you refuse on principle to have any agreed definitions for any part of the English language. However, that wasn't my point.
I didn't use the term prototype. My interpretation of that word and yours may or may not differ, in much the same way as our definition of a table may differ. It has no relevance to my post.

Let me break it down for you:

1. Everyone, even WT and you, agree that what TREG testers currently possess are not final units. I'm not arguing about WT's intent - I understand that they could have been final units, but you have acknowledged that it has transpired that they are not.
2. WT uses the phrase "shipped units to customers" to mean that they have shipped pre-general release units to a subset of people who have paid for and ultimately hope to receive final units. This is an accurate use of language, but in a very literal fashion, using the broadest of possible definitions. While it may be literally true that units have been shipped to customers, that description would also apply had WT delivered a box of chocolates to my mother. She is a customer of many companies (but not WT) and a box of chocolates could be described as a "unit". Yes of course I am reducing to the absurd, but it is to try to explain a point. WT have delivered units to customers, but that in its most literal interpretation can mean almost anything. Now to how most interpret it:
3. When WT say they have "shipped units to customers" many (most?) of the general public would assume that meant that final units have been sent to and received by people who had paid for those specific units, that final product has been, and is continuing to be delivered in a timely fashion to all customers. You may argue (and probably will) that this interpretation is entirely the fault and responsibility of Joe Public, but it remains the current state of affairs - this is the understood definition of the phrase, and no amount of bluster in this forum about how the rest of the world are idiots is likely to change that understood definition.
4. Given the phrase is open to misinterpretation, it would seem wise for WT to somehow clarify their terminology.
5. Nevertheless, having had it pointed out to WT on numerous occasions by many individuals that their language is likely to be misinterpreted, they continue to use this phraseology ["units shipped to customers"].
6. Regardless of the initial motivation for employing this phrase, the fact the phrase continues to be used when the company knows this phrase is liable to misinterpretation suggests that the company is intentionally trying to deceive.

I'm not suggesting that WT meant to deceive initially (that cannot be determined on the basis of the evidence available). I am however suggesting that the company is currently engaged in practices which do deceive, and which they continue to engage in despite having been given opportunity to alter said practices.