You're forgetting that most people don't know about nulldriver. they would have to go on the forums, ask a bunch of questions, read the answers and sort through the correct ones and incorrect ones (if they can do that). get the software from the link, read how to install and use it, then do that.
To you or I, it's really not a big deal. But to most people out there, it's an impossible task.
Download, install, activate.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Otherwise, how do they install updates? How do they install any software? Plus there are a number of solutions to stream music from the mac to a PS3, nullriver is just one.
What kind of discount, from SERO program? Those are the only discounts I've heard that meant a lot of money. Last I checked, unless you're "grandfathered", most people can't get SERO anymore, it was a program that was highly abused by people that weren't friends & family with a real Sprint employee, and the program has been changed to cut out most of the abuse.
No, I get a 25% discount off the Everything Data family plan through my employer. You are correct that SERO has been phased out for anyone with a smartphone.
You're forgetting that most people don't know about nulldriver. they would have to go on the forums, ask a bunch of questions, read the answers and sort through the correct ones and incorrect ones (if they can do that). get the software from the link, read how to install and use it, then do that.
To you or I, it's really not a big deal. But to most people out there, it's an impossible task.
What's a nulldriver? And why doesn't it come *with* the PS3 or 360, or at least get mentioned in the instructions that come in the box with these products? Is it anywhere on Sony's or MS' website?
The nulldriver solution, really isn't.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
Download, install, activate.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Otherwise, how do they install updates? How do they install any software? Plus there are a number of solutions to stream music from the mac to a PS3, nullriver is just one.
Computers are not projects to work on. The less automation, the less hand-holding, the worse it is for the average user.
Updates to OS X and OS X software are self-evident. Windows notifies the user as well. Installing software is the same.
The PS3 can be used for that, as can the 360. But, it's much more work getting it to do so. And much more work keeping it doing so. On the other hand, unless you use third party software to add to the ATv ability to do things, something that Apple stated long ago, that they said was fine, it's more limited.
What work do you need to do to keep the iTunes streaming to the PS3 working? I'll like to know as currently I do nothing and it continues to work fine.
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Originally Posted by melgross
But, on the other hand, people who buy the ATv are getting exactly what they want without the other dreck they don't want..
If you have good internet speeds, good internet caps, and no local video stores, and are happy to live with the limited number of movies (including HD) available via AppleTV, then yes, you get exactly what you want.
What does you liking the Pre have to do with the CEO of Palm not even trying the number one competitor of his product?
It's not the reaction to his quote that ticked me off. I agree that was a poorly worded response he put out there. My anger flared with the bile that is spewed towards Pre and Pre owners in general. Not just in this thread, but in multiple threads I've read over the last several months. I come here as an Apple fan, but one who financially is unwilling to make the switch to AT&T for the iPhone. The Pre works well as the "next best" thing for me and others. There is a prevailing attitude around here that it's the worst phone on the planet, perhaps, even worse than Windoze Mobile. That's just incredibly shallow, and, IMO pig headed. It, indeed, is a great next best phone to use, Rubenstein's quote not withstanding.
What's a nulldriver? And why doesn't it come *with* the PS3 or 360, or at least get mentioned in the instructions that come in the box with these products? Is it anywhere on Sony's or MS' website?
The nulldriver solution, really isn't.
It isn't a Sony, or MS software, so why would they include it on their websites. The reason it exists is due to Apples desire not to support the industry solution of DLNA. So Nullriver is a good solution...
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Computers are not projects to work on. The less automation, the less hand-holding, the worse it is for the average user.
Updates to OS X and OS X software is self-evident. Windows notifies the user as well. Installing software is the same.
What? That has to be some of the biggest dribble you have ever posted.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Otherwise, how do they install updates? How do they install any software? Plus there are a number of solutions to stream music from the mac to a PS3, nullriver is just one.
No, its not that simple. You have a habit of making difficult things sound easy when you want to.
I'm willing to bet if I told the average person they could do this, they would have no idea what I was talking about. They wouldn't even know where to look, or what they were looking for.
It's like Linux guys. they try to make everything sound so easy, but its not. When people who know how to do something the average person doesn't understand, tells that average person just how easy it is, beware!
It isn't a Sony, or MS software, so why would they include it on their websites. The reason it exists is due to Apples desire not to support the industry solution of DLNA. So Nullriver is a good solution...
Not if it requires extra work. Not if there's no number to call. Not if it isn't in the manual. Not if it isn't right there in your face as an option as soon as you turn the unit on. Not if it isn't self-evident. And it costs extra. Think in terms of Joe Average.
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Originally Posted by jfanning
What? That has to be some of the biggest dribble you have ever posted.
You're forgetting that most people don't know about nulldriver. they would have to go on the forums, ask a bunch of questions, read the answers and sort through the correct ones and incorrect ones (if they can do that). get the software from the link, read how to install and use it, then do that.
To you or I, it's really not a big deal. But to most people out there, it's an impossible task.
True, while PS3 and 360 give you directions on how to setup streaming while using a windows PC (for obvious reasons on 360) no such thing exists for Mac users. Although a quick google search of "stream mac to ps3" yields exactly what you need to do to get started but it does cost 20 bucks. If either company were smart they would partner up with Nullriver and get mac users this stuff for free and stop Apple where their at.
With 360 and PS3 gunning for being THE home entertainment center its hard for me to see the value of buying an AppleTV (irony since i use the Mini really only cause of the better browser and better Flash support). Is there any specific reason you use an AppleTV?
What's a nulldriver? And why doesn't it come *with* the PS3 or 360, or at least get mentioned in the instructions that come in the box with these products? Is it anywhere on Sony's or MS' website?
The nulldriver solution, really isn't.
I think Jfanning should explain to you exactly what it is, how to get it, and all the rest, as he thinks it's just one two three.
What work do you need to do to keep the iTunes streaming to the PS3 working? I'll like to know as currently I do nothing and it continues to work fine.
I didn't know it was so easy to stream from apple's servers.
Do you have figures to back up your claim that all PS3 owners have computers?
Would you mind quoting worldwide sources from every market the PS3 is sold in, thanks.
When we are discussing someone installing some software on their computer to stream music from their computer to the PS3 we can all assume they own a computer, I never said they all did, I was talking about the subset of users that have a PS3 and a Mac.
It isn't a Sony, or MS software, so why would they include it on their websites. The reason it exists is due to Apples desire not to support the industry solution of DLNA. So Nullriver is a good solution...
That's nonsense!
It has nothing whatever to do with Apple.
Apple, Microsoft and Sony all are trying to control this market. They all have their own ways of doing it. So far, Apple has been far more successful than either of the others.
What? That has to be some of the biggest dribble you have ever posted.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know it was so easy to stream from apple's servers.
Explain it to us.
How do you do that on a Mac? I don't stream any of my music on my Mac from Apples servers, I play them from my NAS or my Mac itself. I stream them on my PS3 from my NAS or my Mac.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Cool. So let's take my mother's Macbook away. She knows next to nothing about computers but you should have seen the look on her face when I presented her with one last year. Now she has a way of keeping in touch with her friends and the rest of our family and it's made her much happier throughout the day. That to me is worth more than anything.
Aside from her Mac being virtually foolproof and the safest option for anyone, she'd never be able to do what it takes to install something like that, let alone figure out without any help that that's what she needs and do the necessary hunting on Google. Nor should she have to. Nor would I expect her to. But that's just one example.
No, its not that simple. You have a habit of making difficult things sound easy when you want to.
I'm willing to bet if I told the average person they could do this, they would have no idea what I was talking about. They wouldn't even know where to look, or what they were looking for.
It's like Linux guys. they try to make everything sound so easy, but its not. When people who know how to do something the average person doesn't understand, tells that average person just how easy it is, beware!
You download it, you click on the pref pane it downloads, type in your password, it's installed.
Rocket surgery it isn't.
Why do you always want to make things more complicated than they are. Do you think that everyone that owns a Mac is not capable of installing software?
I have iTunes on my iPhone, how do I stream it to my PS3.
Where do I get Nullriver from.
Is that like Winamp (Nullsoft) and Creative (iRiver) joined together?
Is it in the App store?
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Originally Posted by jfanning
When we are discussing someone installing some software on their computer to stream music from their computer to the PS3 we can all assume they own a computer, I never said they all did, I was talking about the subset of users that have a PS3 and a Mac.
True, while PS3 and 360 give you directions on how to setup streaming while using a windows PC (for obvious reasons on 360) no such thing exists for Mac users. Although a quick google search of "stream mac to ps3" yields exactly what you need to do to get started but it does cost 20 bucks. If either company were smart they would partner up with Nullriver and get mac users this stuff for free and stop Apple where their at.
With 360 and PS3 gunning for being THE home entertainment center its hard for me to see the value of buying an AppleTV (irony since i use the Mini really only cause of the better browser and better Flash support). Is there any specific reason you use an AppleTV?
To me, it's just another way of getting what i want. It's cheap enough. Apple even encourages people to tinker with it, and so we have keyboards, USB HDDs etc. It's actually a good little computer in its own way.
I've seen estimates that Apple has sold up to 6 million of them since they first came out. How accurate that is, I can't say, but I can't say it's wrong either.
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You're forgetting that most people don't know about nulldriver. they would have to go on the forums, ask a bunch of questions, read the answers and sort through the correct ones and incorrect ones (if they can do that). get the software from the link, read how to install and use it, then do that.
To you or I, it's really not a big deal. But to most people out there, it's an impossible task.
Download, install, activate.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Otherwise, how do they install updates? How do they install any software? Plus there are a number of solutions to stream music from the mac to a PS3, nullriver is just one.
What kind of discount, from SERO program? Those are the only discounts I've heard that meant a lot of money. Last I checked, unless you're "grandfathered", most people can't get SERO anymore, it was a program that was highly abused by people that weren't friends & family with a real Sprint employee, and the program has been changed to cut out most of the abuse.
No, I get a 25% discount off the Everything Data family plan through my employer. You are correct that SERO has been phased out for anyone with a smartphone.
You're forgetting that most people don't know about nulldriver. they would have to go on the forums, ask a bunch of questions, read the answers and sort through the correct ones and incorrect ones (if they can do that). get the software from the link, read how to install and use it, then do that.
To you or I, it's really not a big deal. But to most people out there, it's an impossible task.
What's a nulldriver? And why doesn't it come *with* the PS3 or 360, or at least get mentioned in the instructions that come in the box with these products? Is it anywhere on Sony's or MS' website?
The nulldriver solution, really isn't.
Download, install, activate.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Otherwise, how do they install updates? How do they install any software? Plus there are a number of solutions to stream music from the mac to a PS3, nullriver is just one.
Computers are not projects to work on. The less automation, the less hand-holding, the worse it is for the average user.
Updates to OS X and OS X software are self-evident. Windows notifies the user as well. Installing software is the same.
I have both a PS3 and an ATv.
The PS3 can be used for that, as can the 360. But, it's much more work getting it to do so. And much more work keeping it doing so. On the other hand, unless you use third party software to add to the ATv ability to do things, something that Apple stated long ago, that they said was fine, it's more limited.
What work do you need to do to keep the iTunes streaming to the PS3 working? I'll like to know as currently I do nothing and it continues to work fine.
But, on the other hand, people who buy the ATv are getting exactly what they want without the other dreck they don't want..
If you have good internet speeds, good internet caps, and no local video stores, and are happy to live with the limited number of movies (including HD) available via AppleTV, then yes, you get exactly what you want.
What does you liking the Pre have to do with the CEO of Palm not even trying the number one competitor of his product?
It's not the reaction to his quote that ticked me off. I agree that was a poorly worded response he put out there. My anger flared with the bile that is spewed towards Pre and Pre owners in general. Not just in this thread, but in multiple threads I've read over the last several months. I come here as an Apple fan, but one who financially is unwilling to make the switch to AT&T for the iPhone. The Pre works well as the "next best" thing for me and others. There is a prevailing attitude around here that it's the worst phone on the planet, perhaps, even worse than Windoze Mobile. That's just incredibly shallow, and, IMO pig headed. It, indeed, is a great next best phone to use, Rubenstein's quote not withstanding.
What's a nulldriver? And why doesn't it come *with* the PS3 or 360, or at least get mentioned in the instructions that come in the box with these products? Is it anywhere on Sony's or MS' website?
The nulldriver solution, really isn't.
It isn't a Sony, or MS software, so why would they include it on their websites. The reason it exists is due to Apples desire not to support the industry solution of DLNA. So Nullriver is a good solution...
Computers are not projects to work on. The less automation, the less hand-holding, the worse it is for the average user.
Updates to OS X and OS X software is self-evident. Windows notifies the user as well. Installing software is the same.
What? That has to be some of the biggest dribble you have ever posted.
Would you mind quoting worldwide sources from every market the PS3 is sold in, thanks.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Download, install, activate.
If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Otherwise, how do they install updates? How do they install any software? Plus there are a number of solutions to stream music from the mac to a PS3, nullriver is just one.
No, its not that simple. You have a habit of making difficult things sound easy when you want to.
I'm willing to bet if I told the average person they could do this, they would have no idea what I was talking about. They wouldn't even know where to look, or what they were looking for.
It's like Linux guys. they try to make everything sound so easy, but its not. When people who know how to do something the average person doesn't understand, tells that average person just how easy it is, beware!
It isn't a Sony, or MS software, so why would they include it on their websites. The reason it exists is due to Apples desire not to support the industry solution of DLNA. So Nullriver is a good solution...
Not if it requires extra work. Not if there's no number to call. Not if it isn't in the manual. Not if it isn't right there in your face as an option as soon as you turn the unit on. Not if it isn't self-evident. And it costs extra. Think in terms of Joe Average.
What? That has to be some of the biggest dribble you have ever posted.
It's in English, and it's true.
You're forgetting that most people don't know about nulldriver. they would have to go on the forums, ask a bunch of questions, read the answers and sort through the correct ones and incorrect ones (if they can do that). get the software from the link, read how to install and use it, then do that.
To you or I, it's really not a big deal. But to most people out there, it's an impossible task.
True, while PS3 and 360 give you directions on how to setup streaming while using a windows PC (for obvious reasons on 360) no such thing exists for Mac users. Although a quick google search of "stream mac to ps3" yields exactly what you need to do to get started but it does cost 20 bucks. If either company were smart they would partner up with Nullriver and get mac users this stuff for free and stop Apple where their at.
With 360 and PS3 gunning for being THE home entertainment center its hard for me to see the value of buying an AppleTV (irony since i use the Mini really only cause of the better browser and better Flash support). Is there any specific reason you use an AppleTV?
What's a nulldriver? And why doesn't it come *with* the PS3 or 360, or at least get mentioned in the instructions that come in the box with these products? Is it anywhere on Sony's or MS' website?
The nulldriver solution, really isn't.
I think Jfanning should explain to you exactly what it is, how to get it, and all the rest, as he thinks it's just one two three.
My explanation would be too complex.
What work do you need to do to keep the iTunes streaming to the PS3 working? I'll like to know as currently I do nothing and it continues to work fine.
I didn't know it was so easy to stream from apple's servers.
Explain it to us.
Do you have figures to back up your claim that all PS3 owners have computers?
Would you mind quoting worldwide sources from every market the PS3 is sold in, thanks.
When we are discussing someone installing some software on their computer to stream music from their computer to the PS3 we can all assume they own a computer, I never said they all did, I was talking about the subset of users that have a PS3 and a Mac.
It isn't a Sony, or MS software, so why would they include it on their websites. The reason it exists is due to Apples desire not to support the industry solution of DLNA. So Nullriver is a good solution...
That's nonsense!
It has nothing whatever to do with Apple.
Apple, Microsoft and Sony all are trying to control this market. They all have their own ways of doing it. So far, Apple has been far more successful than either of the others.
What? That has to be some of the biggest dribble you have ever posted.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know it was so easy to stream from apple's servers.
Explain it to us.
How do you do that on a Mac? I don't stream any of my music on my Mac from Apples servers, I play them from my NAS or my Mac itself. I stream them on my PS3 from my NAS or my Mac.
I think Jfanning should explain to you exactly what it is, how to get it, and all the rest, as he thinks it's just one two three.
My explanation would be too complex.
Well for starters, it is nullriver.
http://www.nullriver.com/products/medialink
Click download now
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If someone can't do that then they shouldn't own a computer, end of story.
Cool. So let's take my mother's Macbook away. She knows next to nothing about computers but you should have seen the look on her face when I presented her with one last year. Now she has a way of keeping in touch with her friends and the rest of our family and it's made her much happier throughout the day. That to me is worth more than anything.
Aside from her Mac being virtually foolproof and the safest option for anyone, she'd never be able to do what it takes to install something like that, let alone figure out without any help that that's what she needs and do the necessary hunting on Google. Nor should she have to. Nor would I expect her to. But that's just one example.
But let's take away her Macbook anyway.
No, its not that simple. You have a habit of making difficult things sound easy when you want to.
I'm willing to bet if I told the average person they could do this, they would have no idea what I was talking about. They wouldn't even know where to look, or what they were looking for.
It's like Linux guys. they try to make everything sound so easy, but its not. When people who know how to do something the average person doesn't understand, tells that average person just how easy it is, beware!
You download it, you click on the pref pane it downloads, type in your password, it's installed.
Rocket surgery it isn't.
Why do you always want to make things more complicated than they are. Do you think that everyone that owns a Mac is not capable of installing software?
Where do I get Nullriver from.
Is that like Winamp (Nullsoft) and Creative (iRiver) joined together?
Is it in the App store?
When we are discussing someone installing some software on their computer to stream music from their computer to the PS3 we can all assume they own a computer, I never said they all did, I was talking about the subset of users that have a PS3 and a Mac.
True, while PS3 and 360 give you directions on how to setup streaming while using a windows PC (for obvious reasons on 360) no such thing exists for Mac users. Although a quick google search of "stream mac to ps3" yields exactly what you need to do to get started but it does cost 20 bucks. If either company were smart they would partner up with Nullriver and get mac users this stuff for free and stop Apple where their at.
With 360 and PS3 gunning for being THE home entertainment center its hard for me to see the value of buying an AppleTV (irony since i use the Mini really only cause of the better browser and better Flash support). Is there any specific reason you use an AppleTV?
To me, it's just another way of getting what i want. It's cheap enough. Apple even encourages people to tinker with it, and so we have keyboards, USB HDDs etc. It's actually a good little computer in its own way.
I've seen estimates that Apple has sold up to 6 million of them since they first came out. How accurate that is, I can't say, but I can't say it's wrong either.