Review: macOS Catalina 10.15 is what Apple promised the Mac could be, and is a crucial upg...

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  • Reply 61 of 168
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,483member
    crowley said:
    Not sure which part was supposed to be crucial?

    I may install it on a partition when I have some time to kill, but ditching 32-bit apps... that's a tough pill to build up to, it'll take a while.
    Just make a VM of your Mojave boot drive on a fast external (I use a RAID 0 set up), then upgrade the boot drive.  Now you have both.  Tip, make a CCC of boot drive to an SSD and use that with Migration assistant in the VM.  Took me about an hour.
    edited October 2019
  • Reply 62 of 168
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,483member
    Soli said:
    woodbine said:

    elijahg said:
    Bloody hell is DED trying to break the world record on longest article? Catalina really doesn’t add enough for what’s taken away for me, namely 32 bit application support. Seems a bit ridiculous to eliminated 32 bit support entirely. 32 bit apps can be sandboxed for security and 32 bit libraries can stay linked but unloaded until they’re required, so the extra RAM usage and security is a non-issue. 
    Christ, they’ve deprecated and announced the planned end of life for 32-bit apps years ago, and yet people are still gonna get butthurt and whine about it when it finally happens. 

    No man, it’s not ridiculous. It streamlines the OS, the future processors, and is the direction the future is moving. Move past the denial stage and accept it. 
    QT7 I will really miss. The ability to quickly chop up a video is priceless....and no I don't want to learn iMovie.
    Why can't you use QTX for quickly trimming, splitting, and adding clips? I've been using it for years and it's easier and far faster than when I used QT7.
    Exactly.  Some folks need to watch a Youtube how-to video.
    edited October 2019 watto_cobra
  • Reply 63 of 168
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,072member
    To add to my previous comment, I think Apple is driven by dollars to replace Dashboard with Notification widgets, because Notification widgets require that you install a full app to get the companion widget. Totally different from Dashboard which had standalone widgets that were free. Not good for Apple's bottom line.
    This sounds very unlikely. Widget app sales are a rounding error for Apple. It is much more likely they ended dashboard because it wasn’t being used very much. 

    If app devs want to make free apps with widgets I don’t know what’s stopping them. 
    edited October 2019 MacProwatto_cobra
  • Reply 64 of 168
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,483member
    cornchip said:

    dougd said:
    I wouldn't touch it for at least six months after the disastrous IOS 13 rollout
    Dougd doesn’t like it!

    Dont know what I’m doing wrong, but I’ve encountered zero disaster here. Can you clarify further about how you’ve been victimized by Apple? What are the real-world limitations you’ve experienced as part of the “disaster” on your end? Inquiring minds want to know. 
    Seriously. iOS 13 is chock full of really nice little details & upgrades with virtually zero bugs...

    DISASTER!!! 
    I beg to disagree. Yes, there are some nice improvements (e.g., Dark Mode), but a vast majority of the changes are cosmetic vis-a-vis the UI. Some are even annoying: for example, the automatic highlighting of a word when the finger is on it (when the goal is to try and move the cursor to edit -- although, there is a simple workaround, see here).

    Also, it's well-documented that both 13 and 13.1.1 had major bugs. Pretty much every reviewer suggested waiting. I'll say, however that 13.1.2 has been bug-free.
    The deep changes are security-oriented I suspect.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 65 of 168
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,483member
    woodbine said:
    all my 32bit apps are from Apple, did someone at the spaceship not get the memo?

    Please list them out here....

    1.  
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    3.  
    4.  



    I suspect he is trying to update his G5 ;)
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 66 of 168
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,072member

    ylon said:
    This article disturbs me greatly. I've felt that AppleInsider is just not leveling with its readers for the last several years now. It has some fun and feel good articles, but this stuff about Catalina is a load of bullcrap. This OS release is the next solid step to the end of Apple and no one has the courage to stand up and talk about this. Do you realize how many of us our MOURNING this release of the OS and are carefully looking at Linux options at the moment (I know several colleagues who've actually "switched" again now). 

    Now granted, Linux can't fit the bill for any of us who need to do anything more than certain dedicated tasks that it's good at, but frankly the core OS has been suffering in macOS for many years now (and this is coming from both Apple engineers themselves and others who do low level system development).

    Apple is prepping us for a complete lockdown and I'll be darned if you find me fighting to jailbreak my workstation. I need low level kexts, I need better debugging facilities, I need kernel access and I frankly need to retain 32bit functionality. There's no actual reason to switch to 64bit fully from a technical standpoint (it's actually more optimized and efficient when you use 32bit apps. Period.). I can elucidate a lot more on these points, but to see Catalina spoken of so highly has completely obliterated my belief that AppleInsider can become anything more than lipstick for Apple now.
    Put down the crack pipe. This isn’t the DOOM of Apple, and if you had bothered to watch the WWDC keynote and state of the union, you’d know that. The future of app development on macOS is very bright. 

    But by all means, switch to the land of paradise known as Linux. But to answer your question, not many are mourning macOS. You’re just being dramatic because you fear change. 
    edited October 2019 fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 67 of 168
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,072member

    cornchip said:

    dougd said:
    I wouldn't touch it for at least six months after the disastrous IOS 13 rollout
    Dougd doesn’t like it!

    Dont know what I’m doing wrong, but I’ve encountered zero disaster here. Can you clarify further about how you’ve been victimized by Apple? What are the real-world limitations you’ve experienced as part of the “disaster” on your end? Inquiring minds want to know. 
    Seriously. iOS 13 is chock full of really nice little details & upgrades with virtually zero bugs...

    DISASTER!!! 
    I beg to disagree. Yes, there are some nice improvements (e.g., Dark Mode), but a vast majority of the changes are cosmetic vis-a-vis the UI. Some are even annoying: for example, the automatic highlighting of a word when the finger is on it (when the goal is to try and move the cursor to edit -- although, there is a simple workaround, see here).

    Also, it's well-documented that both 13 and 13.1.1 had major bugs. Pretty much every reviewer suggested waiting. I'll say, however that 13.1.2 has been bug-free.
    What are the major bugs? I upgraded four devices day one, no show stoppers. Only thing I’ve seen is the home screen orientation being incorrect on some wakes. Still happens on the latest too tho. 

    As for text selection, that’s a feature not a bug. Since most of the time one wants to select at the word level, select a word with a tap and then dragging to other words makes it easier than trying to use the cursor. 

    https://www.cultofmac.com/633080/how-to-use-the-amazing-new-text-tools-in-ipados/
    fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 68 of 168
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    ednl said:
    Not all 32-bit software is ancient. I use Lightroom 6 standalone and have no alternative lined up yet, certainly not the subscription.
    Maybe not ancient but certainly irresponsible with respect to to Lightroom authors.  It isn’t like Apple has been silent about this move.   In fact they have repeatedly stressed 64 bit at WWDC for years.   Even before Apple became so public about it you could see the writing on the wall.  

    So the question you should ask is this, do you continue to do business with a company that can’t follow directions?   Think about what other guidance is being ignored.  
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 69 of 168
    bulk001bulk001 Posts: 690member
    Another really helpful article. Thank you!
    Dan_Dilgerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 70 of 168
    I have a Logitech M525 wireless mouse, which no longer works with Catalina.  I updated all of the latest firmware and software, but their support page says that they are working on updates for Catalina so I guess that I'm stuck with my MacBook Pro's trackpad until then.
  • Reply 71 of 168
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Linux has been pretty good to me over the last year and a half.   A much better experience that a decade or so ago.   The funny thing here is that the hardware, a low cost laptop, has been much better that the 13” MBP from 2017.  My previous laptop was a 2008 MBP and the obvious decline in hardware  quality has been upsetting to say the least.  For somebody come fined for a budget looking at Linux and more economical hardware is a smart move.  
    ElCapitan said:

    elijahg said:
    Bloody hell is DED trying to break the world record on longest article? Catalina really doesn’t add enough for what’s taken away for me, namely 32 bit application support. Seems a bit ridiculous to eliminated 32 bit support entirely. 32 bit apps can be sandboxed for security and 32 bit libraries can stay linked but unloaded until they’re required, so the extra RAM usage and security is a non-issue. 
    Christ, they’ve deprecated and announced the planned end of life for 32-bit apps years ago, and yet people are still gonna get butthurt and whine about it when it finally happens. 

    No man, it’s not ridiculous. It streamlines the OS, the future processors, and is the direction the future is moving. Move past the denial stage and accept it. 
    Let the migration to other platforms begin.  Am in the process of moving a lot of solutions that ran brilliantly on Apple kit to Linux as it is no longer viable for macOS. 


    ElCapitan
  • Reply 72 of 168
    sflocal said:
    drickey said:
    Contrary to the first image, Catalina is WEST of Los Angeles, not East
    It certainly is west of LA. The map is oriented so that south is up, to match the image of Catalina that Apple uses as the desktop image, taken from the NW and looking "up" towards the south
    That map being upside down was bugging the heck out of me too... wonder why they did it that way?
    Makes the Sun movement go from left to right on the screen.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 73 of 168
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    iOS 13 is great on all of my devices! Haven't had one single issue at all! It's the best iOS release by far in my opinion. I'm liking all of the many new features.

    I'm also looking forward to installing Catalina. I'm just going to wait a little bit until all of my third party pricey audio plugins get the go ahead from the devs.

    The review, which was very good and in depth by the way, makes some good points. OS releases did used to cost money before. I remember when Apple lowered the price to $99 one year and I was thinking, wow, that's a good price!

    Mac users, all Mac users, have also definitely benefitted from the huge success of iOS, as Mac OS continues to improve at a nice pace and gets better all of the time.
    edited October 2019 cat52watto_cobra
  • Reply 74 of 168
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    ednl said:
    Not all 32-bit software is ancient. I use Lightroom 6 standalone and have no alternative lined up yet, certainly not the subscription.
    That qualifies as ancient, it is 32 bit after all.

    The devs can either join the modern world, get out of the stone age, upgrade their app or be left behind, their choice.
    cat52watto_cobra
  • Reply 75 of 168
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    this is a novel not a blog post. woulda been better served split into a few articles. 


    64 bit all the way. forward! some will whine some will call the whaaambulance! 
    Apparently my first comment about the article length got deleted.   Whatever the case someone at AI needs to exercise a little editorial discretion.   This article length is just asinine on a cell phone and that is doubled by having the whole thing downloaded again in the comments.  

    As for going all 64 bit that is a great move.   What people don’t understand is that it gets rid of a lot of software maintenance and cruft.   This allows Apple to retask people on newer features.   I would expect to see a new round of software innovation all built around Swift/SwiftUI.   Frankly this is a bit like a rebirth for MacOS.  
    mbenz1962watto_cobra
  • Reply 76 of 168
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 5,962member
    ylon said:
    This article disturbs me greatly. I've felt that AppleInsider is just not leveling with its readers for the last several years now. It has some fun and feel good articles, but this stuff about Catalina is a load of bullcrap. This OS release is the next solid step to the end of Apple and no one has the courage to stand up and talk about this. Do you realize how many of us our MOURNING this release of the OS and are carefully looking at Linux options at the moment (I know several colleagues who've actually "switched" again now). 

    Now granted, Linux can't fit the bill for any of us who need to do anything more than certain dedicated tasks that it's good at, but frankly the core OS has been suffering in macOS for many years now (and this is coming from both Apple engineers themselves and others who do low level system development).

    Apple is prepping us for a complete lockdown and I'll be darned if you find me fighting to jailbreak my workstation. I need low level kexts, I need better debugging facilities, I need kernel access and I frankly need to retain 32bit functionality. There's no actual reason to switch to 64bit fully from a technical standpoint (it's actually more optimized and efficient when you use 32bit apps. Period.). I can elucidate a lot more on these points, but to see Catalina spoken of so highly has completely obliterated my belief that AppleInsider can become anything more than lipstick for Apple now.
    Great... another one of these whackjobs.

    Your manifesto disturbs me (us) greatly.  How many people in the past couple decades have preached Linux eventually replacing the conventional Windows desktop?  I lost count.  Do you know?  I use Linux, even have Ubuntu as a VM on my Mac.  While it's fine for the server, it's complete crap for the desktop and has never been prime-time for the majority of computer users.  It's a curiosity at best for many and it has way too many usability problems that most non-tech people will never figure out.  Give it a rest.  That horse got beaten way too long ago.

    Please.. PLEASE get off your Apple-is-doomed soapbox and ride into the Linux sunset.  I promise you... we won't hope you'd look back.  Hurry... the sun sets in a few more hours.  

    Jeez... 
    edited October 2019 macplusplusStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 77 of 168
    Well crap. The Scansnap scanning software requires full disk access to run. Jerks.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 78 of 168
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member

    dougd said:
    I wouldn't touch it for at least six months after the disastrous IOS 13 rollout

    First off, hard to trust you as an authority when you write "IOS" in all caps. It's "iOS"... "small eye". Get with the program, eh?  :D 

    Second, what iOS 13 disaster? I've installed it on multiple devices quickly and smoothly. No problems at all. Smoothest upgrade that I've had in 10 years.


    IOS 13 has issues just like every software release.    However it is perhaps the best new iOS version going.   I seriously like it bugs and all.  

    Some of these disaster comments have me wondering what sort of people are behind them.  It must be nice to think of yourself as perfect.  
    MplsPwatto_cobra
  • Reply 79 of 168
    Great article. Great OS. Nothing to complain about Apple.

    But as for Google.... they saw a gem in Picasa, they bought it and discontinued it. Shame on them.

    I love the thing. I still try to find an alternative to this 32-bits marvel.

    Adobe Lightroom Classic can match most Picasa features (and then some) but none of its ease of use and speed (and I would even question its reliability). I am trying to use it (and paying for it) but I hate it.

    Other apps that I tried are great for photos but short on video management.

    I am afraid I will not install Catalinas for a long time...  But kudos to Apple, though.
    edited October 2019
  • Reply 80 of 168
    Unfortunately there are a few apps critical to my job that are still (and permanently) 32 bit. I’ll do a partition and keep my old stuff around for when I need it.
    watto_cobra
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