Saying you don't get it may sound a bit condescending, so I wont go there. What I will say is this; Apple makes far more money on hardware than it does selling any form of downloadable media, far more. DVD drives are dirt, dirt cheap, and if you were fully aware of the size they can be, you wouldn't have said it would double the height of the Apple TV.
If Apple did include a DVD drive, many more people would buy them, as they would be much more useful to people, and would give them more functionality, a nicer, more user-friendly experience, and a cooler, cleaner set-up. Then, when the bandwidth infrastructure is there, and more importantly, when quality content is there, people could get their new movies and such from the Apple store using the same Apple device. And they would choose to download then, just as they do now with music, for the simple reason, it would be more convenient, and probably cheaper too. If that's not a win win for everyone, including Apple, I don't know what is.
The Apple TV would then be a nicely profitable DVD player for Apple, that is software up-datable, future-proofed, and future-ready. And compatible with all your old content too.
Well now we know your opinion "AGAIN" but we thought everybody could get one without having to listen to yours AGAIN.
I voted yes, but I am against it. So add one more NO to that poll. I don't think anything is going to help that machine now.
If Apple would have bought Scientific Atlanta and started making cable boxes that had multitude of functionality they would have had something, but as it is AppleTV is a one pony show, and that pony died on the track.
Scientific Atlanta would have given them probably over million existing subscribers, a Broad Band cable box / internet connect that they could have given iTunes accessibility to with a CD burner in every cable subscribers home. They could have incorporated an Airport w/ Airtunes in it as well. The possibilities are all there.
For a small fee SA cable boxes come with a built in DVR which all together these functions would have given them another foot into another growing enterprise that has broad base of existing subscribers. They could have opened doors, but instead we have AppleTV. It's almost dead in the water.
I get it, I just don't agree. As far as the 'if they build it, they will come' notion I have one case-in-point to dispute the claim: the Mac Mini. AppleTV is not DVD player. It's the Non-DVD player.
I get it, I just don't agree. As far as the 'if they build it, they will come' notion I have one case-in-point to dispute the claim: the Mac Mini. AppleTV is not DVD player. It's the Non-DVD player.
Wow, it doesn't play DVD's and it doesn't allow you to watch movies as good as DVD quality downloaded from the iTunes store. I see you're point. Apple are really pulling another iPod for the living room here.
Wow, it doesn't play DVD's and it doesn't allow you to watch movies as good as DVD quality downloaded from the iTunes store. I see you're point. Apple are really pulling another iPod for the living room here.
dude you ask for peoples opinions but when we give them and they dont go along with what you want you get kinda nasty. take it easy!
Untill wifi is able to stream 1080p movies effortlessly, and internet is connected totally via fibre optic cables, i doubt we'll see downloadable 1080p movies from itunes. The current/near future infrastructure just wont be able to support it.
An optical drive makes the most sense in terms of getting full HD content on your TV. Perhaps we could even see a sync disc to appletv option.
Saying you don't get it may sound a bit condescending, so I wont go there....
but then you DO go there
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DVD drives are dirt, dirt cheap, and if you were fully aware of the size they can be, you wouldn't have said it would double the height of the Apple TV.
The thing I think some people forget when posting on messageboards and in life in general, is that its sometimes GOOD to have your views challanged and even come away with a different view than you started with.
Look at the poll -- half of us think the AppleTV needs a DVD player. That implies that apple could DOUBLE its sales of the AppleTV if it simply included the player. For those that don't want the DVD, they won't be required to put a disk in...
Saying you don't get it may sound a bit condescending, so I wont go there. What I will say is this; Apple makes far more money on hardware than it does selling any form of downloadable media, far more. DVD drives are dirt, dirt cheap, and if you were fully aware of the size they can be, you wouldn't have said it would double the height of the Apple TV.
Well obviously you don't know the size of DVD drives either because they aren't zero height.
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If Apple did include a DVD drive, many more people would buy them,
Unsupported assertion. Next stop...the xMac.
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The Apple TV would then be a nicely profitable DVD player for Apple, that is software up-datable, future-proofed, and future-ready. And compatible with all your old content too.
And yet Apple neglected to put a cheap and easy to include DVD drive deliberately...you want "future ready" include a BR drive, not a DVD drive.
Look at the poll -- half of us think the AppleTV needs a DVD player. That implies that apple could DOUBLE its sales of the AppleTV if it simply included the player. For those that don't want the DVD, they won't be required to put a disk in...
Point of the day. Actually I think its the best point of the thread.
I could care less if they added a DVD player. But I think transmiting DVD via WiFi is going to make it look even worse. How good is the picture. From what people have said in here - not that good.
Look at the poll -- half of us think the AppleTV needs a DVD player. That implies that apple could DOUBLE its sales of the AppleTV if it simply included the player. For those that don't want the DVD, they won't be required to put a disk in...
Notice the more logical posts tend to be shorter, cause they are true.
Well obviously you don't know the size of DVD drives either because they aren't zero height.
I never said they were zero hight, the drive may raise the height of the Apple TV a little bit, but saying it will double it is just sensationalist. There's a small bit of room in the Apple TV, and I'm sure with a bit a clever Apple engineering, they could nearly make it the exact same size.
I agree, but that's not economically viable. If the Apple TV cost $1000 I'd say they'd sell only a few thousand of them.
Agreed. $1000 is too much. That's more than a MacMini. I think the most Apple could charge for a Blu-ray AppleTV would be about £400 in the UK etc and $700 in the US.
the drive may raise the height of the Apple TV a little bit, but saying it will double it is just sensationalist. There's a small bit of room in the Apple TV, and I'm sure with a bit a clever Apple engineering, they could nearly make it the exact same size.
Uh huh...no its not zero height but Apple could use the miniscule space left and have it nearly the exact (heh) same size. No, it'll be taller by a 1/4" or so (the "or so" meaning more and not less).
Face it...enough people disagree with your assertion that the aTV needs a DVD drive that its not the no brainer you keep implying it is. Nor is there any expectation that "sales would double" simply because a dozen folks or so in this thread might say they might buy one if it had a DVD drive.
It's simply not a killer feature. Add DVR + cable card + Blu Ray and you'd have a product that might sell more...in the US market anyway...would need a different cable interface for different parts of the world...wouldn't that be annoying for Apple?
No, iTunes only seems like a nice little start until BR drive prices drop.
Why on earth would aTV with a BR drive cost more than a aTV and a PS3? aTV would be around $599 like many other BR players.
hey...when the heck did they add the 160GB aTV model for $399?
Vinea
About a month ago I believe.
It's still too early to think about putting in opical drives IMO. Right now the money for Apple TV needs to be spent in beefing up the hardware so that it supports 1080 and faster bitrates.
If that takes off then the idea of putting in optical drives can be evaluated.
It's still too early to think about putting in opical drives IMO. Right now the money for Apple TV needs to be spent in beefing up the hardware so that it supports 1080 and faster bitrates.
If that takes off then the idea of putting in optical drives can be evaluated.
1080p is no doubt needed too, that will be added at some point.
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Saying you don't get it may sound a bit condescending, so I wont go there. What I will say is this; Apple makes far more money on hardware than it does selling any form of downloadable media, far more. DVD drives are dirt, dirt cheap, and if you were fully aware of the size they can be, you wouldn't have said it would double the height of the Apple TV.
If Apple did include a DVD drive, many more people would buy them, as they would be much more useful to people, and would give them more functionality, a nicer, more user-friendly experience, and a cooler, cleaner set-up. Then, when the bandwidth infrastructure is there, and more importantly, when quality content is there, people could get their new movies and such from the Apple store using the same Apple device. And they would choose to download then, just as they do now with music, for the simple reason, it would be more convenient, and probably cheaper too. If that's not a win win for everyone, including Apple, I don't know what is.
The Apple TV would then be a nicely profitable DVD player for Apple, that is software up-datable, future-proofed, and future-ready. And compatible with all your old content too.
Well now we know your opinion "AGAIN" but we thought everybody could get one without having to listen to yours AGAIN.
I voted yes, but I am against it. So add one more NO to that poll. I don't think anything is going to help that machine now.
If Apple would have bought Scientific Atlanta and started making cable boxes that had multitude of functionality they would have had something, but as it is AppleTV is a one pony show, and that pony died on the track.
Scientific Atlanta would have given them probably over million existing subscribers, a Broad Band cable box / internet connect that they could have given iTunes accessibility to with a CD burner in every cable subscribers home. They could have incorporated an Airport w/ Airtunes in it as well. The possibilities are all there.
For a small fee SA cable boxes come with a built in DVR which all together these functions would have given them another foot into another growing enterprise that has broad base of existing subscribers. They could have opened doors, but instead we have AppleTV. It's almost dead in the water.
I get it, I just don't agree. As far as the 'if they build it, they will come' notion I have one case-in-point to dispute the claim: the Mac Mini. AppleTV is not DVD player. It's the Non-DVD player.
Wow, it doesn't play DVD's and it doesn't allow you to watch movies as good as DVD quality downloaded from the iTunes store. I see you're point. Apple are really pulling another iPod for the living room here.
Wow, it doesn't play DVD's and it doesn't allow you to watch movies as good as DVD quality downloaded from the iTunes store. I see you're point. Apple are really pulling another iPod for the living room here.
dude you ask for peoples opinions but when we give them and they dont go along with what you want you get kinda nasty. take it easy!
An optical drive makes the most sense in terms of getting full HD content on your TV. Perhaps we could even see a sync disc to appletv option.
Saying you don't get it may sound a bit condescending, so I wont go there....
but then you DO go there
DVD drives are dirt, dirt cheap, and if you were fully aware of the size they can be, you wouldn't have said it would double the height of the Apple TV.
The thing I think some people forget when posting on messageboards and in life in general, is that its sometimes GOOD to have your views challanged and even come away with a different view than you started with.
Maybe you should consider that?
Saying you don't get it may sound a bit condescending, so I wont go there. What I will say is this; Apple makes far more money on hardware than it does selling any form of downloadable media, far more. DVD drives are dirt, dirt cheap, and if you were fully aware of the size they can be, you wouldn't have said it would double the height of the Apple TV.
Well obviously you don't know the size of DVD drives either because they aren't zero height.
If Apple did include a DVD drive, many more people would buy them,
Unsupported assertion. Next stop...the xMac.
The Apple TV would then be a nicely profitable DVD player for Apple, that is software up-datable, future-proofed, and future-ready. And compatible with all your old content too.
And yet Apple neglected to put a cheap and easy to include DVD drive deliberately...you want "future ready" include a BR drive, not a DVD drive.
Vinea
Look at the poll -- half of us think the AppleTV needs a DVD player. That implies that apple could DOUBLE its sales of the AppleTV if it simply included the player. For those that don't want the DVD, they won't be required to put a disk in...
Point of the day. Actually I think its the best point of the thread.
I could care less if they added a DVD player. But I think transmiting DVD via WiFi is going to make it look even worse. How good is the picture. From what people have said in here - not that good.
Vote correction = 16 Yes, 19 No.
Look at the poll -- half of us think the AppleTV needs a DVD player. That implies that apple could DOUBLE its sales of the AppleTV if it simply included the player. For those that don't want the DVD, they won't be required to put a disk in...
Notice the more logical posts tend to be shorter, cause they are true.
Well obviously you don't know the size of DVD drives either because they aren't zero height.
I never said they were zero hight, the drive may raise the height of the Apple TV a little bit, but saying it will double it is just sensationalist. There's a small bit of room in the Apple TV, and I'm sure with a bit a clever Apple engineering, they could nearly make it the exact same size.
And yet Apple neglected to put a cheap and easy to include DVD drive deliberately...you want "future ready" include a BR drive, not a DVD drive.
Vinea
I agree, but that's not economically viable. If the Apple TV cost $1000 I'd say they'd sell only a few thousand of them.
I agree, but that's not economically viable. If the Apple TV cost $1000 I'd say they'd sell only a few thousand of them.
Agreed. $1000 is too much. That's more than a MacMini. I think the most Apple could charge for a Blu-ray AppleTV would be about £400 in the UK etc and $700 in the US.
Notice the more logical posts tend to be shorter, cause they are true.
Or just shorter.
Vinea
I never said they were zero hight,
You picture implies it.
the drive may raise the height of the Apple TV a little bit, but saying it will double it is just sensationalist. There's a small bit of room in the Apple TV, and I'm sure with a bit a clever Apple engineering, they could nearly make it the exact same size.
Uh huh...no its not zero height but Apple could use the miniscule space left and have it nearly the exact (heh) same size. No, it'll be taller by a 1/4" or so (the "or so" meaning more and not less).
Face it...enough people disagree with your assertion that the aTV needs a DVD drive that its not the no brainer you keep implying it is. Nor is there any expectation that "sales would double" simply because a dozen folks or so in this thread might say they might buy one if it had a DVD drive.
It's simply not a killer feature. Add DVR + cable card + Blu Ray and you'd have a product that might sell more...in the US market anyway...would need a different cable interface for different parts of the world...wouldn't that be annoying for Apple?
No, iTunes only seems like a nice little start until BR drive prices drop.
Vinea
I agree, but that's not economically viable. If the Apple TV cost $1000 I'd say they'd sell only a few thousand of them.
Why on earth would aTV with a BR drive cost more than a aTV and a PS3? aTV would be around $599 like many other BR players.
hey...when the heck did they add the 160GB aTV model for $399?
Vinea
Why on earth would aTV with a BR drive cost more than a aTV and a PS3? aTV would be around $599 like many other BR players.
hey...when the heck did they add the 160GB aTV model for $399?
Vinea
About a month ago I believe.
It's still too early to think about putting in opical drives IMO. Right now the money for Apple TV needs to be spent in beefing up the hardware so that it supports 1080 and faster bitrates.
If that takes off then the idea of putting in optical drives can be evaluated.
Or just shorter.
Vinea
Tend to be.
About a month ago I believe.
It's still too early to think about putting in opical drives IMO. Right now the money for Apple TV needs to be spent in beefing up the hardware so that it supports 1080 and faster bitrates.
If that takes off then the idea of putting in optical drives can be evaluated.
1080p is no doubt needed too, that will be added at some point.