Can you cite your source for such wisdom? or are you still in fantasy wishlist mode?
Here's an internet slap in the face, if only it was real.
So tell me Watler, how much do you think A Blu-ray 160GB Apple TV would cost? And how many of them do 'you' think would sell if it were released tomorrow?
If the cost of adding a DVD player was minimal for Apple then it may be a good idea since it could lower the threshold for adoption of the AppleTV. A year ago I bought a cheap DVD player for $49. I would imagine the drive itself would cost $5-10 to the manufacturer.
Of course ideally one would want a combo Blu-ray / HD-DVD drive but it will be a few before that is economically viable.
Imagine though having a DVD player/ recorder that "just works". Something that can play HD video off discs or the internet and maybe even record live TV. Something that could work so easily that any village idiot could record the shows they like without ever have to set up a VCR again. We all know Apple could do that - just depends if they are motivated in that direction.
Here's an internet slap in the face, if only it was real.
So tell me Watler, how much do you think A Blu-ray 160GB Apple TV would cost? And how many of them do 'you' think would sell if it were released tomorrow?
I'm not Walter but given that the Pioneer BDC-S02/BDC-2202 is $300 retail then no more than $699. Heck...the BDC-2202 is a combo drive that also does DVD and CD RW along with burner software. Maybe even $599 for aTV if its only a BR/DVD/CD reader although the CPU, RAM and Video might need a little bump to get smooth playback. Or a chip.
How many would it sell? More than a $449 aTV with DVD player.
I voted yes. It's kind of useless as is right now, i mean it just streams stuff to your tv, and the quality is apparently not to swell. Why not add the dvd player, not only will it reduce the need for the bigger hard drive on the apple tv, but the picture will be better. And it would still allow you to steam some music, and trailers and what not to your tv.
I voted yes. It's kind of useless as is right now, i mean it just streams stuff to your tv, and the quality is apparently not to swell. Why not add the dvd player, not only will it reduce the need for the bigger hard drive on the apple tv, but the picture will be better. And it would still allow you to steam some music, and trailers and what not to your tv.
ps: 20 to 19 for needs a dvd player.
It's actually 19 to 20 b/c I changed my vote right after I posted it. Question though. Streaming a DVD - Is it going to look as good as a DVD? I'm thinking NOT. It's like adding one more thing to be criticized as being less than acceptable.
It's actually 19 to 20 b/c I changed my vote right after I posted it. Question though. Streaming a DVD - Is it going to look as good as a DVD? I'm thinking NOT. It's like adding one more thing to be criticized as being less than acceptable.
i never said anything about streaming a dvd to your tv. the thing would basically stream trailers and what not from your computer, and it would act as a dvd player as well.
You overestimate Apple. Adding graphics cards that aren't a year and a half old and double what their price should be to the Mac Pro would make sense, too, but they haven't done that.
i never said anything about streaming a dvd to your tv. the thing would basically stream trailers and what not from your computer, and it would act as a dvd player as well.
So it's going to magically appear on there? I'm pretty sure AppleTV streams video. I could swear It's cordless other than the power cord.
I voted yes, but I think the drive needs to be a Blu-ray drive (with DVD playback as well), have DVR capability, and have the capability of recording onto Blu-ray disc as well. Sure it would be more expensive, but hell, you would have the ultimate entertainment hub.
Now, if only Apple would come out with a TV....hmmmm.
I voted yes, but I think the drive needs to be a Blu-ray drive (with DVD playback as well), have DVR capability, and have the capability of recording onto Blu-ray disc as well. Sure it would be more expensive, but hell, you would have the ultimate entertainment hub.
Now, if only Apple would come out with a TV....hmmmm.
It would also be six times as large with all of that.
You overestimate Apple. Adding graphics cards that aren't a year and a half old and double what their price should be to the Mac Pro would make sense, too, but they haven't done that.
Yeah, I posted in a hurry. I do think in this case they would have done if it made sense. The problem is that everyone already has a DVD player of some kind around, and many of them are better at it than AppleTV with current hardware would be. Nintendo didn't even put DVD playback in Gamecube or Wii and they have an optical drive in there!
I could easily see Apple making a big price drop on current AppleTV after a while and adding a bigger 1080p model with Blu-Ray to scoop up lots of people migrating to high definition. A PS3 for non-gamers, so to speak. They could hook lots of folks on Apple products if they move before most people have BD players. I think it would be worth it to enter that market at close to zero margins, make it a no brainer to buy, and getting the margins back from the rapidly decreasing component costs.
Graphics hardware has seen great neglect not just on Mac Pro, but on iMac and Macbook. It's something of a special case for Apple. I hope this will change with the recent big-name game announcements. After all those games aren't going to turn a profit if only Mac Pro folks can play. If Apple doesn't back up this effort, lots of people moving onto a Mac on the premise that it can be used for games will be soured on the whole brand.
I notice you didn't get bitter until the voting started to go in my favor. The good news for you if that it doesn't mean Apple will make it - it just means they'd sell more of them as a result.
I notice you didn't get bitter until the voting started to go in my favor. The good news for you if that it doesn't mean Apple will make it - it just means they'd sell more of them as a result.
man, wow you are a child.
So what, if people want a blu-ray on AppleTV? I want too, plus DVR and many other things, but just because I want or many other people want doesn't mean Apple will do it. Do you think your poll will do anything to change that?
They have a strategy and is to sell content through iTuners, like it or not I don't see they changing that anytime soon.
Now you can keep your childish behavior and have fun with you thread. I have never seem someone that needs so much attention like yourself. Grow up dude!
Here's an internet slap in the face, if only it was real.
So tell me Watler, how much do you think A Blu-ray 160GB Apple TV would cost? And how many of them do 'you' think would sell if it were released tomorrow?
I believe your implied threat of violence towards me goes against board rules, if you cant keep your comments civil, then perhaps you shouldnt comment at all?
but to address your point, you made the claim of how much it would cost, and how many they would sell, so BACK IT UP! If you can't then please stop making wild claims. If you have research please share with the rest of us
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I agree, but that's not economically viable. If the Apple TV cost $1000 I'd say they'd sell only a few thousand of them.
Can you cite your source for such wisdom? or are you still in fantasy wishlist mode?
Can you cite your source for such wisdom? or are you still in fantasy wishlist mode?
Here's an internet slap in the face, if only it was real.
So tell me Watler, how much do you think A Blu-ray 160GB Apple TV would cost? And how many of them do 'you' think would sell if it were released tomorrow?
Of course ideally one would want a combo Blu-ray / HD-DVD drive but it will be a few before that is economically viable.
Imagine though having a DVD player/ recorder that "just works". Something that can play HD video off discs or the internet and maybe even record live TV. Something that could work so easily that any village idiot could record the shows they like without ever have to set up a VCR again. We all know Apple could do that - just depends if they are motivated in that direction.
Here's an internet slap in the face, if only it was real.
So tell me Watler, how much do you think A Blu-ray 160GB Apple TV would cost? And how many of them do 'you' think would sell if it were released tomorrow?
I'm not Walter but given that the Pioneer BDC-S02/BDC-2202 is $300 retail then no more than $699. Heck...the BDC-2202 is a combo drive that also does DVD and CD RW along with burner software. Maybe even $599 for aTV if its only a BR/DVD/CD reader although the CPU, RAM and Video might need a little bump to get smooth playback. Or a chip.
How many would it sell? More than a $449 aTV with DVD player.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pn...935078,00.html
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ps: 20 to 19 for needs a dvd player.
I voted yes. It's kind of useless as is right now, i mean it just streams stuff to your tv, and the quality is apparently not to swell. Why not add the dvd player, not only will it reduce the need for the bigger hard drive on the apple tv, but the picture will be better. And it would still allow you to steam some music, and trailers and what not to your tv.
ps: 20 to 19 for needs a dvd player.
It's actually 19 to 20 b/c I changed my vote right after I posted it. Question though. Streaming a DVD - Is it going to look as good as a DVD? I'm thinking NOT. It's like adding one more thing to be criticized as being less than acceptable.
It's actually 19 to 20 b/c I changed my vote right after I posted it. Question though. Streaming a DVD - Is it going to look as good as a DVD? I'm thinking NOT. It's like adding one more thing to be criticized as being less than acceptable.
i never said anything about streaming a dvd to your tv. the thing would basically stream trailers and what not from your computer, and it would act as a dvd player as well.
It could make sense again with the next-gen drives when the hardware is cheap enough - but before everyone has a next-gen player.
If it made sense they would have done it already.
You overestimate Apple. Adding graphics cards that aren't a year and a half old and double what their price should be to the Mac Pro would make sense, too, but they haven't done that.
i never said anything about streaming a dvd to your tv. the thing would basically stream trailers and what not from your computer, and it would act as a dvd player as well.
So it's going to magically appear on there? I'm pretty sure AppleTV streams video. I could swear It's cordless other than the power cord.
Now, if only Apple would come out with a TV....hmmmm.
I voted yes, but I think the drive needs to be a Blu-ray drive (with DVD playback as well), have DVR capability, and have the capability of recording onto Blu-ray disc as well. Sure it would be more expensive, but hell, you would have the ultimate entertainment hub.
Now, if only Apple would come out with a TV....hmmmm.
It would also be six times as large with all of that.
You overestimate Apple. Adding graphics cards that aren't a year and a half old and double what their price should be to the Mac Pro would make sense, too, but they haven't done that.
Yeah, I posted in a hurry. I do think in this case they would have done if it made sense. The problem is that everyone already has a DVD player of some kind around, and many of them are better at it than AppleTV with current hardware would be. Nintendo didn't even put DVD playback in Gamecube or Wii and they have an optical drive in there!
I could easily see Apple making a big price drop on current AppleTV after a while and adding a bigger 1080p model with Blu-Ray to scoop up lots of people migrating to high definition. A PS3 for non-gamers, so to speak. They could hook lots of folks on Apple products if they move before most people have BD players. I think it would be worth it to enter that market at close to zero margins, make it a no brainer to buy, and getting the margins back from the rapidly decreasing component costs.
Graphics hardware has seen great neglect not just on Mac Pro, but on iMac and Macbook. It's something of a special case for Apple. I hope this will change with the recent big-name game announcements. After all those games aren't going to turn a profit if only Mac Pro folks can play. If Apple doesn't back up this effort, lots of people moving onto a Mac on the premise that it can be used for games will be soured on the whole brand.
So it's going to magically appear on there? I'm pretty sure AppleTV streams video. I could swear It's cordless other than the power cord.
this thread makes me laugh.
Ireland, you need so bad affirmation for you dreams and wishes that you need to create a new thread.
Grow up, you don't need to get so defensive in order to start a whole new discussion about the same subject.
Have fun with your poll!
I notice you didn't get bitter until the voting started to go in my favor. The good news for you if that it doesn't mean Apple will make it - it just means they'd sell more of them as a result.
man, wow you are a child.
So what, if people want a blu-ray on AppleTV? I want too, plus DVR and many other things, but just because I want or many other people want doesn't mean Apple will do it. Do you think your poll will do anything to change that?
They have a strategy and is to sell content through iTuners, like it or not I don't see they changing that anytime soon.
Now you can keep your childish behavior and have fun with you thread. I have never seem someone that needs so much attention like yourself. Grow up dude!
They have a strategy and is to sell content through iTuners, like it or not I don't see they changing that anytime soon.
I know, you keep saying that.
Here's an internet slap in the face, if only it was real.
So tell me Watler, how much do you think A Blu-ray 160GB Apple TV would cost? And how many of them do 'you' think would sell if it were released tomorrow?
I believe your implied threat of violence towards me goes against board rules, if you cant keep your comments civil, then perhaps you shouldnt comment at all?
but to address your point, you made the claim of how much it would cost, and how many they would sell, so BACK IT UP! If you can't then please stop making wild claims. If you have research please share with the rest of us