I believe your implied threat of violence towards me goes against board rules, if you cant keep your comments civil, then perhaps you shouldnt comment at all?
How would you know noob.
Watler, you take yourself so seriously, you should try to lighten up.
I'm not going to vote on this, because voting seems to polarize people on this topic and makes them hostile towards one another, however, I will say this...A slot-loading drive from a MacBook Pro is only 9.5mm thick (just under 3/8"), so I doubt that the additional thickness would discourage anyone otherwise interested in buying an AppleTV. Since you can buy a cheap DVD player from Wal-mart for under $30, the addition of a drive would marginally raise the cost (if at all) of the unit, so cost would probably not negatively affect sales either. The way I see it, the addition of a DVD drive would only create more sales of the AppleTV.
On the other hand, the addition of a Blu-Ray drive would add thickness, and would add a cost. Assuming that Apple could make it look good, and that the bigger size could be a growth in width, not just height, the AppleTV with a BR drive would still be one of the smallest Blu-Ray players on the market today, albeit larger than the existing appleTV. As for cost, the appleTV would not need to exceed the cost of a PS3, which sells for $499.
All things considered, I do not want an AppleTV as it is now because I have no need to stream content from my computer to my TV; I just hook up my laptop directly to my TV if I want to. I realize that the AppleTV is created solely to stream content, but I would only consider buying one if it was an Apple DVD player with streaming capabilities, or if I was in the market for a new Blu-Ray player, in which case an Apple Blu-Ray player with streaming capablities would stand out from all the other BR players.
I'm torn. Whilst I agree that adding a DVD player will help boost sales, I'm concerned about the longer term effects. With attempts being made to phase out DVDs, and Apples image as making high end, cutting edge products, choosing to revise the Apple TV to include a DVD player seems like a step backwards. If they chose to include DVD playage from the get go the situation would be entirely different, but I feel that doing so now would essentially be going against the philosophy of Apple TV - it's essentially iTunes (the iTunes Store) on your TV (got that from the site )
It makes sense to do so in the short term, to help gain sales, but when people are getting into downloading adding a DVD function at this point seems a bit old hat, and could hurt the product in the long run. If Apple have also come to such a conclusion, it's safe to say we'll never see DVD playback in Apple TV. Blu-Ray seems like a better option, but it's way too soon for that!
I'm torn. Whilst I agree that adding a DVD player will help boost sales, I'm concerned about the longer term effects. With attempts being made to phase out DVDs, and Apples image as making high end, cutting edge products, choosing to revise the Apple TV to include a DVD player seems like a step backwards. If they chose to include DVD playage from the get go the situation would be entirely different, but I feel that doing so now would essentially be going against the philosophy of Apple TV - it's essentially iTunes (the iTunes Store) on your TV (got that from the site )
I'm torn. Whilst I agree that adding a DVD player will help boost sales, I'm concerned about the longer term effects. With attempts being made to phase out DVDs, and Apples image as making high end, cutting edge products, choosing to revise the Apple TV to include a DVD player seems like a step backwards.
While I do understand what you are saying here, the point I'm making is that adding a slot DVD in the current Apple TV wouldn't raise the height or cost much, if at all, and people will no longer require a second device (their bulky DVD player) to play back all there DVD's, which most people have a collection of. That's a HUGE selling point.
Apple could quite conceivably sell one with a DVD slot for the same price, as way more people would buy them as they would be much more useful, and it would give people a cleaner setup as a bonus.
And in the future - when the pipes are fast enough, and the content is there, people would choose downloading over buying DVD's because it will be more efficient. People could still buy DVD's and stick them in, but the majority of people wouldn't because they would go for the easier option - just like they do now with music in iTunes. And in the mean time, and in the future Apple could start to really move this product.
I'm not going to vote on this, because voting seems to polarize people on this topic and makes them hostile towards one another, however, I will say this...A slot-loading drive from a MacBook Pro is only 9.5mm thick (just under 3/8"), so I doubt that the additional thickness would discourage anyone otherwise interested in buying an AppleTV. Since you can buy a cheap DVD player from Wal-mart for under $30, the addition of a drive would marginally raise the cost (if at all) of the unit, so cost would probably not negatively affect sales either. The way I see it, the addition of a DVD drive would only create more sales of the AppleTV.
On the other hand, the addition of a Blu-Ray drive would add thickness, and would add a cost. Assuming that Apple could make it look good, and that the bigger size could be a growth in width, not just height, the AppleTV with a BR drive would still be one of the smallest Blu-Ray players on the market today, albeit larger than the existing appleTV. As for cost, the appleTV would not need to exceed the cost of a PS3, which sells for $499.
All things considered, I do not want an AppleTV as it is now because I have no need to stream content from my computer to my TV; I just hook up my laptop directly to my TV if I want to. I realize that the AppleTV is created solely to stream content, but I would only consider buying one if it was an Apple DVD player with streaming capabilities, or if I was in the market for a new Blu-Ray player, in which case an Apple Blu-Ray player with streaming capablities would stand out from all the other BR players.
this guy needs to get a grip. you'd think he was steve jobs himself the way he takes this thing so seriously. dvd is on its way out the door. apple is always looking to the future. theres no way they would add a dvd player now.
this guy needs to get a grip. you'd think he was steve jobs himself the way he takes this thing so seriously. dvd is on its way out the door. apple is always looking to the future. theres no way they would add a dvd player now.
Still not going to admit this $1000 number is bogus?
Vinea
He never does answer questions about things he says, I think because he never thinks things through before actually going to the trouble of typing them.
Shouldn't all this be in the iPod/iTunes/Apple TV forum anyway?
He never does answer questions about things he says, I think because he never thinks things through before actually going to the trouble of typing them.
Shouldn't all this be in the iPod/iTunes/Apple TV forum anyway?
Please just stop being so negative. And no, cause it's a future hardware product. Welcome to the forums.
Still not going to admit this $1000 number is bogus?
Vinea
Bogus or not it doesn't matter, the point is it will be too expensive for most people with a Blu-ray drive at this point. Who knows where the costs will be at by Christmas, but the last thing they want to do it use a cheap Blu-ray drive, cheap as in quality that is.
Please just stop being so negative. And no, cause it's a future hardware product. Welcome to the forums.
Well then stop trying to rile me with the newbie rubbish, I've been reading this forum for a number of years, post count means very little if you have very little to say. and you seem to have very little to say that isnt pulled from yuor backside.
Well then stop trying to rile me with the newbie rubbish, I've been reading this forum for a number of years, post count means very little if you have very little to say. and you seem to have very little to say that isnt pulled from yuor backside.
Bogus or not it doesn't matter, the point is it will be too expensive for most people with a Blu-ray drive at this point. Who knows where the costs will be at by Christmas, but the last thing they want to do it use a cheap Blu-ray drive, cheap as in quality that is.
Who's most people? Why is $699 too expensive for a Blu-Ray device that also does FrontRow/iTunes? To imply that Apple shys away from high-end products because of cost is simply loony. Adding a Blu-Ray drive is FAR more inline with Apple design than a DVD drive or have you missed out on the higher end and higher priced iPod, iPhone, iMac, MacPro, MacBook (which for the bottom of the Apple notebook product line is mid tier on price and capability), MacBookPro and even the AppleTV.
The Apple demographic has certainly shown it is willing to cough up money for upper end products and Apple has shown it doesn't like doing "old" stuff. DVD is "old" stuff.
You want a discussion but refuse to accept when your assertions are incorrect. That's not a discussion...that's simply you pushing your thoughts blindly.
For example, I've seen the teardowns of the aTV and I looked at the thing in person. There's really no room for even a slim DVD drive without increasing height. But you persist in saying that it would be no additional height for a DVD drive.
In any case as many people disagree with you as agree with you and of those folks that voted yes a few have said Blu-Ray over DVD. It isn't the matter of one or two folks dissenting which is what you wanted to show with this extra bogus poll thread.
Who's most people? Why is $699 too expensive for a Blu-Ray device that also does FrontRow/iTunes? To imply that Apple shys away from high-end products because of cost is simply loony. Adding a Blu-Ray drive is FAR more inline with Apple design than a DVD drive or have you missed out on the higher end and higher priced iPod, iPhone, iMac, MacPro, MacBook (which for the bottom of the Apple notebook product line is mid tier on price and capability), MacBookPro and even the AppleTV.
The Apple demographic has certainly shown it is willing to cough up money for upper end products and Apple has shown it doesn't like doing "old" stuff. DVD is "old" stuff.
You want a discussion but refuse to accept when your assertions are incorrect. That's not a discussion...that's simply you pushing your thoughts blindly.
For example, I've seen the teardowns of the aTV and I looked at the thing in person. There's really no room for even a slim DVD drive without increasing height. But you persist in saying that it would be no additional height for a DVD drive.
In any case as many people disagree with you as agree with you and of those folks that voted yes a few have said Blu-Ray over DVD. It isn't the matter of one or two folks dissenting which is what you wanted to show with this extra bogus poll thread.
Vinea
he said that it might increase the height a bit, but not by a lot.
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I believe your implied threat of violence towards me goes against board rules, if you cant keep your comments civil, then perhaps you shouldnt comment at all?
How would you know noob.
Watler, you take yourself so seriously, you should try to lighten up.
On the other hand, the addition of a Blu-Ray drive would add thickness, and would add a cost. Assuming that Apple could make it look good, and that the bigger size could be a growth in width, not just height, the AppleTV with a BR drive would still be one of the smallest Blu-Ray players on the market today, albeit larger than the existing appleTV. As for cost, the appleTV would not need to exceed the cost of a PS3, which sells for $499.
All things considered, I do not want an AppleTV as it is now because I have no need to stream content from my computer to my TV; I just hook up my laptop directly to my TV if I want to. I realize that the AppleTV is created solely to stream content, but I would only consider buying one if it was an Apple DVD player with streaming capabilities, or if I was in the market for a new Blu-Ray player, in which case an Apple Blu-Ray player with streaming capablities would stand out from all the other BR players.
It makes sense to do so in the short term, to help gain sales, but when people are getting into downloading adding a DVD function at this point seems a bit old hat, and could hurt the product in the long run. If Apple have also come to such a conclusion, it's safe to say we'll never see DVD playback in Apple TV. Blu-Ray seems like a better option, but it's way too soon for that!
Don't hurt 'em Ireland
As for cost, the appleTV would not need to exceed the cost of a PS3, which sells for $499.
When the ps3 was initially released it was sold at a loss. Perhaps things have changed.
I'm torn. Whilst I agree that adding a DVD player will help boost sales, I'm concerned about the longer term effects. With attempts being made to phase out DVDs, and Apples image as making high end, cutting edge products, choosing to revise the Apple TV to include a DVD player seems like a step backwards. If they chose to include DVD playage from the get go the situation would be entirely different, but I feel that doing so now would essentially be going against the philosophy of Apple TV - it's essentially iTunes (the iTunes Store) on your TV (got that from the site
Well thats almost exactly the way I see it.
I'm torn. Whilst I agree that adding a DVD player will help boost sales, I'm concerned about the longer term effects. With attempts being made to phase out DVDs, and Apples image as making high end, cutting edge products, choosing to revise the Apple TV to include a DVD player seems like a step backwards.
While I do understand what you are saying here, the point I'm making is that adding a slot DVD in the current Apple TV wouldn't raise the height or cost much, if at all, and people will no longer require a second device (their bulky DVD player) to play back all there DVD's, which most people have a collection of. That's a HUGE selling point.
Apple could quite conceivably sell one with a DVD slot for the same price, as way more people would buy them as they would be much more useful, and it would give people a cleaner setup as a bonus.
And in the future - when the pipes are fast enough, and the content is there, people would choose downloading over buying DVD's because it will be more efficient. People could still buy DVD's and stick them in, but the majority of people wouldn't because they would go for the easier option - just like they do now with music in iTunes. And in the mean time, and in the future Apple could start to really move this product.
I'm not going to vote on this, because voting seems to polarize people on this topic and makes them hostile towards one another, however, I will say this...A slot-loading drive from a MacBook Pro is only 9.5mm thick (just under 3/8"), so I doubt that the additional thickness would discourage anyone otherwise interested in buying an AppleTV. Since you can buy a cheap DVD player from Wal-mart for under $30, the addition of a drive would marginally raise the cost (if at all) of the unit, so cost would probably not negatively affect sales either. The way I see it, the addition of a DVD drive would only create more sales of the AppleTV.
On the other hand, the addition of a Blu-Ray drive would add thickness, and would add a cost. Assuming that Apple could make it look good, and that the bigger size could be a growth in width, not just height, the AppleTV with a BR drive would still be one of the smallest Blu-Ray players on the market today, albeit larger than the existing appleTV. As for cost, the appleTV would not need to exceed the cost of a PS3, which sells for $499.
All things considered, I do not want an AppleTV as it is now because I have no need to stream content from my computer to my TV; I just hook up my laptop directly to my TV if I want to. I realize that the AppleTV is created solely to stream content, but I would only consider buying one if it was an Apple DVD player with streaming capabilities, or if I was in the market for a new Blu-Ray player, in which case an Apple Blu-Ray player with streaming capablities would stand out from all the other BR players.
my sentiments exactly, well said.
I know, you keep saying that.
I do because this is what is really happening!
this guy needs to get a grip. you'd think he was steve jobs himself the way he takes this thing so seriously. dvd is on its way out the door. apple is always looking to the future. theres no way they would add a dvd player now.
LOL, so you voted no then.
I agree, but that's not economically viable. If the Apple TV cost $1000 I'd say they'd sell only a few thousand of them.
Still not going to admit this $1000 number is bogus?
Vinea
Still not going to admit this $1000 number is bogus?
Vinea
He never does answer questions about things he says, I think because he never thinks things through before actually going to the trouble of typing them.
Shouldn't all this be in the iPod/iTunes/Apple TV forum anyway?
He never does answer questions about things he says, I think because he never thinks things through before actually going to the trouble of typing them.
Shouldn't all this be in the iPod/iTunes/Apple TV forum anyway?
Please just stop being so negative. And no, cause it's a future hardware product. Welcome to the forums.
Still not going to admit this $1000 number is bogus?
Vinea
Bogus or not it doesn't matter, the point is it will be too expensive for most people with a Blu-ray drive at this point. Who knows where the costs will be at by Christmas, but the last thing they want to do it use a cheap Blu-ray drive, cheap as in quality that is.
Please just stop being so negative. And no, cause it's a future hardware product. Welcome to the forums.
Well then stop trying to rile me with the newbie rubbish, I've been reading this forum for a number of years, post count means very little if you have very little to say. and you seem to have very little to say that isnt pulled from yuor backside.
Well then stop trying to rile me with the newbie rubbish, I've been reading this forum for a number of years, post count means very little if you have very little to say. and you seem to have very little to say that isnt pulled from yuor backside.
bunch of internet tough guys around here.
Bogus or not it doesn't matter, the point is it will be too expensive for most people with a Blu-ray drive at this point. Who knows where the costs will be at by Christmas, but the last thing they want to do it use a cheap Blu-ray drive, cheap as in quality that is.
Who's most people? Why is $699 too expensive for a Blu-Ray device that also does FrontRow/iTunes? To imply that Apple shys away from high-end products because of cost is simply loony. Adding a Blu-Ray drive is FAR more inline with Apple design than a DVD drive or have you missed out on the higher end and higher priced iPod, iPhone, iMac, MacPro, MacBook (which for the bottom of the Apple notebook product line is mid tier on price and capability), MacBookPro and even the AppleTV.
The Apple demographic has certainly shown it is willing to cough up money for upper end products and Apple has shown it doesn't like doing "old" stuff. DVD is "old" stuff.
You want a discussion but refuse to accept when your assertions are incorrect. That's not a discussion...that's simply you pushing your thoughts blindly.
For example, I've seen the teardowns of the aTV and I looked at the thing in person. There's really no room for even a slim DVD drive without increasing height. But you persist in saying that it would be no additional height for a DVD drive.
In any case as many people disagree with you as agree with you and of those folks that voted yes a few have said Blu-Ray over DVD. It isn't the matter of one or two folks dissenting which is what you wanted to show with this extra bogus poll thread.
Vinea
Who's most people? Why is $699 too expensive for a Blu-Ray device that also does FrontRow/iTunes? To imply that Apple shys away from high-end products because of cost is simply loony. Adding a Blu-Ray drive is FAR more inline with Apple design than a DVD drive or have you missed out on the higher end and higher priced iPod, iPhone, iMac, MacPro, MacBook (which for the bottom of the Apple notebook product line is mid tier on price and capability), MacBookPro and even the AppleTV.
The Apple demographic has certainly shown it is willing to cough up money for upper end products and Apple has shown it doesn't like doing "old" stuff. DVD is "old" stuff.
You want a discussion but refuse to accept when your assertions are incorrect. That's not a discussion...that's simply you pushing your thoughts blindly.
For example, I've seen the teardowns of the aTV and I looked at the thing in person. There's really no room for even a slim DVD drive without increasing height. But you persist in saying that it would be no additional height for a DVD drive.
In any case as many people disagree with you as agree with you and of those folks that voted yes a few have said Blu-Ray over DVD. It isn't the matter of one or two folks dissenting which is what you wanted to show with this extra bogus poll thread.
Vinea
he said that it might increase the height a bit, but not by a lot.
he said that it might increase the height a bit, but not by a lot.
He also said (among other things) that inclusion of a BD drive would make it cost $1000 and Apple would only sell a couple 1000 units.
BUT, he won't back this claim (among others) up with data/evidence/market research.