I don't know if you guys will see my post, cause it's at the end of last page. So I'll ask again.
How much, if at all do you think PS3 sales will be affected by all of this?
as a game console or as a blu-ray player?... or does it really matter?
I think most well-informed consumers would stay away from standalone BD Player until profile is completed and available. Which means those who can't wait need to settle for a PS3 instead.
his just in from CES: Panasonic has just unveiled the new DMP-BD50 Blu-ray player with full BD Live (profile 2.0) implementation. The player will internally decode Dolby TrueHD as well as DTS HD Master Audio and will have the same SD card functionality as the current DMP-BD30.
BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER DMP-BD50 FACT SHEET
BD-Live
The DMP-BD50's Ethernet terminal is a gateway for Internet connection, which paves the way to an entirely new form of movie-plus-Internet entertainment. In the future, BD-Live users will be able to participate in quizzes and challenge each other to interactive games that are linked to bonus movie content on BD discs. BD-Live also supports other interactive functions, such as Picture-in-Picture and Audio Mixing.
Interactive Functions
Picture-In-Picture
With Picture-in-Picture, a small sub-window is displayed over the main image. There are four examples of Picture-in-Picture modes, each offering distinct functions. They include Enhanced Commentary, Backstage Pass Function, Peek Behind The Animation and Audio Mixing.
Enhanced Commentary*
BD media goes considerably beyond the kind of audio commentary provided in many DVD movies, such as a director discussing the film. Enhanced Commentary makes it possible, for example, for the director or actors to appear in the sub-window (as if they are standing in front of the screen) and point to actors or equipment as they make their comments.
Backstage Pass Function*
This lets you access additional information provided about people, places or things in a BD movie. Use the remote control to select an element highlighted on the screen, and a sub-window opens with the information. For example, there could be notes about the clothing or accessories an actor is wearing or the restaurant in which a scene is set.
Peek Behind The Animation*
While playing back a movie with dubbed-in voices ? for example, a feature-length animation ? this feature lets you watch in a sub-window as the actors read their parts. You can see the actors' gestures and expressions as they speak, giving you an inside look at a whole facet of moviemaking you've never seen before.
Audio Mixing*
The Audio Mixing function lets you choose which soundtrack to listen to: the one from the content playing in the main window, the one from the sub-window, or both at the same time. The sub-window soundtrack can also be reproduced in 5.1-channel surround sound.
*Depending upon program contents.
Other BD-Live Possibilities
The future is expected to bring a host of imaginative new features. For example, the DMP-BD50 will be able to connect directly to the Internet and download additional content from Websites to an SD Memory Card for more viewing and playing enjoyment.
HIGH-DEFINITION PICTURE AND SOUND QUALITY
UniPhier®
Combining a PHL Reference Chroma Processor with advanced P4HD imaging technology, Uniphier, the Precise Digital Video processor reproduces crisp, natural colors that are extremely faithful to the original movie. The beautiful images are complemented by an exceptionally pure, accurate sound achieved through Audio Re-master and other leading-edge audio technologies. Uniphier reflects the advanced encoding and authoring technologies developed by Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory (PHL) in collaboration with film industry professionals. With Uniphier at its heart, the DMP-BD50 provides a level of image and sound quality that meets Hollywood's stringent demands ? so you experience movies just the way they were meant to be experienced.
Precise Digital Video
PHL Reference Chroma Processor
The PHL Reference Chroma Processor up-samples (4:2:0 to 4:2:2) the color information in decoded video signals. Using proprietary Panasonic technology, this innovative circuit faithfully reproduces the fine details and nuances of Blu-ray video streams that have been recorded with high quality image compression system. It generates images with all the clarity and depth that BD-Video movies have to offer.
P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD)
To get the best HD images from a BD-Video disc, you need a player that renders high-quality progressive images, expresses motion smoothly, and draws sharp diagonal lines. The DMP-BD50's P4HD processes more than 15 billion pixels per second and applies the optimum processing to every pixel in the video data on the disc. The result is images with exceptional resolution.
Deep Color*
The DMP-BD50's HDMI output is Deep Color compatible. While the earlier HDMI V.1.2 offers 8-bit, 256-step gradation on 4:4:4, HDMI V.1.3 enables video signals to be sent on 12-bit, 4,096-step gradation at any format. This helps the DMP-BD50 reproduce natural looking colors with smooth gradation and minimal color banding.
*An HDMI? V.1.3 compatible TV is required.
1080/24p Playback
The DMP-BD50 provides 1080/24p output (via HDMI) for Blu-ray titles and DVD titles. It reproduces movie images from a Blu-ray Disc in their original 24p form, with no need for conversion.
HD Audio Format Decoding and Output
The DMP-BD50 is equipped with decoders for the high-quality, lossless Dolby® TrueHD and DDTS-HD Master Audio? audio formats. These formats theoretically contain the information to reproduce original sound sources in their entirety. Connection to an AV amplifier with 7.1-channel input capability enables sound quality on the level of a studio master system.
Audio Re-master for All Media
The DMP-BD50's Audio Re-master function compensates for data lost in the compression process used in BD and DVD recording. This helps create a fuller, richer sound that is extremely faithful to the original. It also brings re-mastering to the Blu-ray Disc for the first time ever.
HD Networking with SD Memory Card
The DMP-BD50 comes equipped with a slot for SD Memory Cards. Just take the SD Memory Card from your HD camcorder or digital still camera, and you're ready to view high resolution photos and motion images on your TV.
Linking with an HD Camcorder
The DMP-BD50 can play back AVCHD-format images shot with an HD camcorder, such as the Panasonic HDC-SD9. Images recorded onto the camcorder's SD Memory Card are output directly from the DMP-BD50's HDMI terminal in their original, high-quality 1920 x 1080 resolution. The DMP-BD50 also provides an AVCHD Direct Navigator function that makes it easy to search for particular scenes.
Linking with a Digital Camera
The DMP-BD50 can play back JPEG still images on an SD Memory Card, such as those recorded with a Lumix FZ3 digital camera. The DMP-BD50 can output the images to 1920 x 1080 resolution ? ideal for a full-HD TV ? and output them via the HDMI terminal*. Using the Slideshow playback feature, you can play a music CD at the same time you're showing the photos, so viewers enjoy both beautiful images and their favorite music.
VIERA LinkTM
Seamless GUI
You Can Control Your Blu-ray Disc? Player with the TV Remote Control* When the TV is on, the VIERA Link function lets you switch to home theater mode using just the Panasonic VIERA TV's remote control unit. Simply press the VIERA Link button on the TV's remote control and select "BD Player" on the VIERA Link Menu screen. The BD player's menu will display on the TV screen, and you can begin playback of a Blu-ray Disc or select from the Blu-ray disc
Now you HD DVD proponents can stop bitching about the Ethernet port and profiles...yet another talking point gone down in flames.
as a game console or as a blu-ray player?... or does it really matter?
I think most well-informed consumers would stay away from standalone BD Player until profile is completed and available. Which means those who can't wait need to settle for a PS3 instead.
Wrong..again...look above at the DMP-BD50 from Panny.
Paramount and DreamWorks joined the HD-DVD camp last year after securing fee payments worth an estimated $150m from the HD-DVD camp.
Universal has been the format?s biggest champion but it was tight lipped on Sunday about its next move. It was unclear whether the studios backing HD-DVD would change sides, although it is understood that Paramount has reserved the right to switch its backing to Blu-ray.
...The HD-DVD Promotional Group admitted the Warners move was a setback.
Notice how even here it is stated that Paramount took the $150 million dollar bribe...and interestingly enough, they may indeed have reserved the right to switch its backing to Blu-ray. If the latter is indeed true, HD DVD just got an extra layer of dirt on their whole in the ground.
Also, notice bitemymac that even the HD DVD Promotional Group can admit that the Warner move is a setback...but not you!...it is just "business as usual." Pfffft!
I'm sad to see the lesser of the two evils lose, but I'm enough of a realist to see that the studios have largely picked their DRM-laden winner.
The response that ?We've been declared dead before? is entirely true, but I really don't see how Toshiba intends to go on from here.
Aside from convincing Microsoft and Nintendo to put HD-DVD players in their consoles starting next Wednesday, I can't see how Toshiba could play this so that it might win. I love to side with the underdog, but the dog has to be able to win.
I'm intrigued by the refusal to die, from a business strategy standpoint.
Toshiba had to have known Warner might have gone with BR. Everyone else did.
Does anybody have any ideas on how Toshiba might play this now? (the crazier the better.)
Quick question. What would be the best way to respond to this?
Quote:
**** thats bad. HD is the better format, the video and sound quality is far superior to that of Blu-ray, its just blu-ray has always been backed by the good film studios. I got a HD player too
Thats a completely invalid reason. HD-DVDs are coded to be a lot smaller than Blu-ray with better quality, the fact of the matter is HD have not developed a disk that is as big as 200GB because they simply don't need one. That is one thing that a lot of people overlook.
Well lets see Toshiba has a proprietary format, and on this thread for the last few years I've been reading about how proprietary formats fail, Microsoft the king of proprietary then waded in with their size 11s and we wonder why the format has failed.
How do you guys think this (Warner announcement) will affect PS3 sales? If at all?
I reckon it will help boost sales, but then I think it will help sales of ALL BD capable players, be real interesting to se the figures for the end of the month, as well as disc sales! that should be REALLY telling IMO.
Despite the likely firesales that will spring up as stores try and offload HD-DVD
Well lets see Toshiba has a proprietary format, and on this thread for the last few years I've been reading about how proprietary formats fail, Microsoft the king of proprietary then waded in with their size 11s and we wonder why the format has failed.
Well lets see Toshiba has a proprietary format, and on this thread for the last few years I've been reading about how proprietary formats fail, Microsoft the king of proprietary then waded in with their size 11s and we wonder why the format has failed.
Truth be told the Samsung Combo player announced today at $599 is likely going to be my next HD player if it performs well (I suspect it will since it's a 4th gen product)
I'm simply NOT selling my HD DVD discs and if I can pick up some discs off of craigslist for a song I'll certainly do that. This isn't Dixv..my discs don't suddenly stop playing because a studio decides to call it quits.
I figure that the street price of the next Sammy Universal will be $499 and that's fine with me for a consolidated unit.
Truth be told the Samsung Combo player announced today at $599 is likely going to be my next HD player if it performs well (I suspect it will since it's a 4th gen product)
I figure that the street price of the next Sammy Universal will be $499 and that's fine with me for a consolidated unit.
Me too. My plan was to wait for the BD-UP5000 to drop below $499, but if the 5500 can be had for less than $500 upon release then so be it. May is when WB goes Blu-Ray exclusive, so a May release for this combo payer is perfect.
I'm sad to see the lesser of the two evils lose, but I'm enough of a realist to see that the studios have largely picked their DRM-laden winner.
The response that ?We've been declared dead before? is entirely true, but I really don't see how Toshiba intends to go on from here.
Aside from convincing Microsoft and Nintendo to put HD-DVD players in their consoles starting next Wednesday, I can't see how Toshiba could play this so that it might win. I love to side with the underdog, but the dog has to be able to win.
I'm intrigued by the refusal to die, from a business strategy standpoint.
Toshiba had to have known Warner might have gone with BR. Everyone else did.
Does anybody have any ideas on how Toshiba might play this now? (the crazier the better.)
It's typical for people to defend themselves. They are essentially trying to save their jobs. It's disbelief. Most of them wont have a job after CES, and many are wondering just who is going to get the axe. I feel for them all.
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Considering that HDM is a 40 billion dollar industry, that's 6 billion in Blu-ray's pocket right there...I think they'll take that.
Only if PS3 strategy succeed with J6P.
How much, if at all do you think PS3 sales will be affected by all of this?
I don't know if you guys will see my post, cause it's at the end of last page. So I'll ask again.
How much, if at all do you think PS3 sales will be affected by all of this?
as a game console or as a blu-ray player?... or does it really matter?
I think most well-informed consumers would stay away from standalone BD Player until profile is completed and available. Which means those who can't wait need to settle for a PS3 instead.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=810
his just in from CES: Panasonic has just unveiled the new DMP-BD50 Blu-ray player with full BD Live (profile 2.0) implementation. The player will internally decode Dolby TrueHD as well as DTS HD Master Audio and will have the same SD card functionality as the current DMP-BD30.
BLU-RAY DISC PLAYER DMP-BD50 FACT SHEET
BD-Live
The DMP-BD50's Ethernet terminal is a gateway for Internet connection, which paves the way to an entirely new form of movie-plus-Internet entertainment. In the future, BD-Live users will be able to participate in quizzes and challenge each other to interactive games that are linked to bonus movie content on BD discs. BD-Live also supports other interactive functions, such as Picture-in-Picture and Audio Mixing.
Interactive Functions
Picture-In-Picture
With Picture-in-Picture, a small sub-window is displayed over the main image. There are four examples of Picture-in-Picture modes, each offering distinct functions. They include Enhanced Commentary, Backstage Pass Function, Peek Behind The Animation and Audio Mixing.
Enhanced Commentary*
BD media goes considerably beyond the kind of audio commentary provided in many DVD movies, such as a director discussing the film. Enhanced Commentary makes it possible, for example, for the director or actors to appear in the sub-window (as if they are standing in front of the screen) and point to actors or equipment as they make their comments.
Backstage Pass Function*
This lets you access additional information provided about people, places or things in a BD movie. Use the remote control to select an element highlighted on the screen, and a sub-window opens with the information. For example, there could be notes about the clothing or accessories an actor is wearing or the restaurant in which a scene is set.
Peek Behind The Animation*
While playing back a movie with dubbed-in voices ? for example, a feature-length animation ? this feature lets you watch in a sub-window as the actors read their parts. You can see the actors' gestures and expressions as they speak, giving you an inside look at a whole facet of moviemaking you've never seen before.
Audio Mixing*
The Audio Mixing function lets you choose which soundtrack to listen to: the one from the content playing in the main window, the one from the sub-window, or both at the same time. The sub-window soundtrack can also be reproduced in 5.1-channel surround sound.
*Depending upon program contents.
Other BD-Live Possibilities
The future is expected to bring a host of imaginative new features. For example, the DMP-BD50 will be able to connect directly to the Internet and download additional content from Websites to an SD Memory Card for more viewing and playing enjoyment.
HIGH-DEFINITION PICTURE AND SOUND QUALITY
UniPhier®
Combining a PHL Reference Chroma Processor with advanced P4HD imaging technology, Uniphier, the Precise Digital Video processor reproduces crisp, natural colors that are extremely faithful to the original movie. The beautiful images are complemented by an exceptionally pure, accurate sound achieved through Audio Re-master and other leading-edge audio technologies. Uniphier reflects the advanced encoding and authoring technologies developed by Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory (PHL) in collaboration with film industry professionals. With Uniphier at its heart, the DMP-BD50 provides a level of image and sound quality that meets Hollywood's stringent demands ? so you experience movies just the way they were meant to be experienced.
Precise Digital Video
PHL Reference Chroma Processor
The PHL Reference Chroma Processor up-samples (4:2:0 to 4:2:2) the color information in decoded video signals. Using proprietary Panasonic technology, this innovative circuit faithfully reproduces the fine details and nuances of Blu-ray video streams that have been recorded with high quality image compression system. It generates images with all the clarity and depth that BD-Video movies have to offer.
P4HD (Pixel Precision Progressive Processing for HD)
To get the best HD images from a BD-Video disc, you need a player that renders high-quality progressive images, expresses motion smoothly, and draws sharp diagonal lines. The DMP-BD50's P4HD processes more than 15 billion pixels per second and applies the optimum processing to every pixel in the video data on the disc. The result is images with exceptional resolution.
Deep Color*
The DMP-BD50's HDMI output is Deep Color compatible. While the earlier HDMI V.1.2 offers 8-bit, 256-step gradation on 4:4:4, HDMI V.1.3 enables video signals to be sent on 12-bit, 4,096-step gradation at any format. This helps the DMP-BD50 reproduce natural looking colors with smooth gradation and minimal color banding.
*An HDMI? V.1.3 compatible TV is required.
1080/24p Playback
The DMP-BD50 provides 1080/24p output (via HDMI) for Blu-ray titles and DVD titles. It reproduces movie images from a Blu-ray Disc in their original 24p form, with no need for conversion.
HD Audio Format Decoding and Output
The DMP-BD50 is equipped with decoders for the high-quality, lossless Dolby® TrueHD and DDTS-HD Master Audio? audio formats. These formats theoretically contain the information to reproduce original sound sources in their entirety. Connection to an AV amplifier with 7.1-channel input capability enables sound quality on the level of a studio master system.
Audio Re-master for All Media
The DMP-BD50's Audio Re-master function compensates for data lost in the compression process used in BD and DVD recording. This helps create a fuller, richer sound that is extremely faithful to the original. It also brings re-mastering to the Blu-ray Disc for the first time ever.
HD Networking with SD Memory Card
The DMP-BD50 comes equipped with a slot for SD Memory Cards. Just take the SD Memory Card from your HD camcorder or digital still camera, and you're ready to view high resolution photos and motion images on your TV.
Linking with an HD Camcorder
The DMP-BD50 can play back AVCHD-format images shot with an HD camcorder, such as the Panasonic HDC-SD9. Images recorded onto the camcorder's SD Memory Card are output directly from the DMP-BD50's HDMI terminal in their original, high-quality 1920 x 1080 resolution. The DMP-BD50 also provides an AVCHD Direct Navigator function that makes it easy to search for particular scenes.
Linking with a Digital Camera
The DMP-BD50 can play back JPEG still images on an SD Memory Card, such as those recorded with a Lumix FZ3 digital camera. The DMP-BD50 can output the images to 1920 x 1080 resolution ? ideal for a full-HD TV ? and output them via the HDMI terminal*. Using the Slideshow playback feature, you can play a music CD at the same time you're showing the photos, so viewers enjoy both beautiful images and their favorite music.
VIERA LinkTM
Seamless GUI
You Can Control Your Blu-ray Disc? Player with the TV Remote Control* When the TV is on, the VIERA Link function lets you switch to home theater mode using just the Panasonic VIERA TV's remote control unit. Simply press the VIERA Link button on the TV's remote control and select "BD Player" on the VIERA Link Menu screen. The BD player's menu will display on the TV screen, and you can begin playback of a Blu-ray Disc or select from the Blu-ray disc
Now you HD DVD proponents can stop bitching about the Ethernet port and profiles...yet another talking point gone down in flames.
^^^That is one NICE player!
as a game console or as a blu-ray player?... or does it really matter?
I think most well-informed consumers would stay away from standalone BD Player until profile is completed and available. Which means those who can't wait need to settle for a PS3 instead.
Wrong..again...look above at the DMP-BD50 from Panny.
Only if PS3 strategy succeed with J6P.
It pretty much already has bud...for all of 2007 when HD DVD got its arse handed to them for 52 weeks in a row.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/8d56c2a8-bc8...0779fd2ac.html
Paramount and DreamWorks joined the HD-DVD camp last year after securing fee payments worth an estimated $150m from the HD-DVD camp.
Universal has been the format?s biggest champion but it was tight lipped on Sunday about its next move. It was unclear whether the studios backing HD-DVD would change sides, although it is understood that Paramount has reserved the right to switch its backing to Blu-ray.
...The HD-DVD Promotional Group admitted the Warners move was a setback.
Notice how even here it is stated that Paramount took the $150 million dollar bribe...and interestingly enough, they may indeed have reserved the right to switch its backing to Blu-ray. If the latter is indeed true, HD DVD just got an extra layer of dirt on their whole in the ground.
Also, notice bitemymac that even the HD DVD Promotional Group can admit that the Warner move is a setback...but not you!...it is just "business as usual." Pfffft!
One has to feel a little sorry for Paramount, well only a very, very little.
Why? Paramount has sold the lion's share of HD-DVDs thus far, and likely got huge incentives for it.
Now, over the next few years, they'll get to sell a lot of those over again to the same videophile customers..
You don't get it. This is all about Media conglomerates selling the same content over and over again.
Paramount may walk out of this with more money than anybody else.
I'm sad to see the lesser of the two evils lose, but I'm enough of a realist to see that the studios have largely picked their DRM-laden winner.
The response that ?We've been declared dead before? is entirely true, but I really don't see how Toshiba intends to go on from here.
Aside from convincing Microsoft and Nintendo to put HD-DVD players in their consoles starting next Wednesday, I can't see how Toshiba could play this so that it might win. I love to side with the underdog, but the dog has to be able to win.
I'm intrigued by the refusal to die, from a business strategy standpoint.
Toshiba had to have known Warner might have gone with BR. Everyone else did.
Does anybody have any ideas on how Toshiba might play this now? (the crazier the better.)
Does anybody have any ideas on how Toshiba might play this now? (the crazier the better.)
By embracing Blu Ray perhaps?
(you did say the crazier the better)
**** thats bad. HD is the better format, the video and sound quality is far superior to that of Blu-ray, its just blu-ray has always been backed by the good film studios. I got a HD player too
Thats a completely invalid reason. HD-DVDs are coded to be a lot smaller than Blu-ray with better quality, the fact of the matter is HD have not developed a disk that is as big as 200GB because they simply don't need one. That is one thing that a lot of people overlook.
Rip HD-DVD 2006-2008
You are the weakest link, goodbye.
How do you guys think this (Warner announcement) will affect PS3 sales? If at all?
I reckon it will help boost sales, but then I think it will help sales of ALL BD capable players, be real interesting to se the figures for the end of the month, as well as disc sales! that should be REALLY telling IMO.
Despite the likely firesales that will spring up as stores try and offload HD-DVD
Well lets see Toshiba has a proprietary format, and on this thread for the last few years I've been reading about how proprietary formats fail, Microsoft the king of proprietary then waded in with their size 11s and we wonder why the format has failed.
Rip HD-DVD 2006-2008
You are the weakest link, goodbye.
Haha
Well lets see Toshiba has a proprietary format, and on this thread for the last few years I've been reading about how proprietary formats fail, Microsoft the king of proprietary then waded in with their size 11s and we wonder why the format has failed.
Rip HD-DVD 2006-2008
You are the weakest link, goodbye.
Walter...how is HD DVD any more proprietary.
Walter...how is HD DVD any more proprietary?
I was just about to ask the same question.
To me Warner's announce all but spells the death of combo players as who needs them.
A million HD DVD owners, and anyone who wants to watch Universal & Paramount/Dreamworks films in high-definition.
Now you HD DVD proponents can stop bitching about the Ethernet port and profiles...yet another talking point gone down in flames.
How much does this Blu-Ray player that finally matches HD DVD capabilities cost?
I'm simply NOT selling my HD DVD discs and if I can pick up some discs off of craigslist for a song I'll certainly do that. This isn't Dixv..my discs don't suddenly stop playing because a studio decides to call it quits.
I figure that the street price of the next Sammy Universal will be $499 and that's fine with me for a consolidated unit.
Truth be told the Samsung Combo player announced today at $599 is likely going to be my next HD player if it performs well (I suspect it will since it's a 4th gen product)
I figure that the street price of the next Sammy Universal will be $499 and that's fine with me for a consolidated unit.
Me too. My plan was to wait for the BD-UP5000 to drop below $499, but if the 5500 can be had for less than $500 upon release then so be it. May is when WB goes Blu-Ray exclusive, so a May release for this combo payer is perfect.
Ok, this response is interesting.
I'm sad to see the lesser of the two evils lose, but I'm enough of a realist to see that the studios have largely picked their DRM-laden winner.
The response that ?We've been declared dead before? is entirely true, but I really don't see how Toshiba intends to go on from here.
Aside from convincing Microsoft and Nintendo to put HD-DVD players in their consoles starting next Wednesday, I can't see how Toshiba could play this so that it might win. I love to side with the underdog, but the dog has to be able to win.
I'm intrigued by the refusal to die, from a business strategy standpoint.
Toshiba had to have known Warner might have gone with BR. Everyone else did.
Does anybody have any ideas on how Toshiba might play this now? (the crazier the better.)
It's typical for people to defend themselves. They are essentially trying to save their jobs. It's disbelief. Most of them wont have a job after CES, and many are wondering just who is going to get the axe. I feel for them all.