Hmmm... I just noticed that the 1.6er doesn't have PCI-X...
Its seems that the 1.8 is a way better deal over: Twice the hard drive, twice the ram, 200mhz more processor, 100mhz more bus, and PCI-X all for only a little more than the 1.6
An aside: ironically, the G5 page on the apple store has the g4 specs pic instead of the g5 one. Everything *except* the leaked shot updated. Should we all email them the missing image?
My theory now on the G5s is that the low-end really is too expensive to produce. The new machines run hot and Apple doesn't want to deal with low-GHz G5s anywhere. We're going to have to wait for .09 970s to get the low-end and laptops. The Powermacs will clear the way for lower-cost components as well. Ah well, more waiting.
Hopefully Apple can start revving this line fairly quickly over the next 6 months.
Personally, I think the new machines look like crap, but they look much better in the framework of the http://www.apple.com/powermac page. If you assume euro styling, they look ok. Steve should have ended with the theme from 'Sprockets', though.
Well, Apple DID note that an ATI 9800 Pro give 337 frames per second on Quake III Arena!
Kick-a-HA's the snot out of a Dell 3 gig! On games!
Apple does recognise the games market. I'm not sure the WWDC was the place (unless they were releasing an 'X-Box'). It was pretty packed as it was, a great Keynote.
When the 'furore' dies down...Apple will find themselves in the same position they found themselves in with the Powerbook Ti. Demand will soften and they will have to drop prices..?
Well all I can say is that for once SJ came through and gave us what everybody has been complaining about! Sure they cost a lot. But it's not because of a " Pretty case " anymore. It's what's inside. Any complaining about this is stupid. You get what you pay for. The fastest PC out there.
About no new displays and such, Apple probably put everything into getting this product out there. The new displays will come. But, since I just purchased a 17" Studio display I'm not worried about it.
As far as all those trolls and PC advocates and their rude comments about Apple hardware over the years. Read the specs. Read 'um and weep!
I know there will still be trolls out there but their comments now will be hollow.
Because the hardware is now very competitive it might mean more games coming to the Mac. I wonder what Carmack is saying now?
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No 9700 as standard though? [/B]
The dutch Apple site speaks of a Radeon 9800 Pro or NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra to come standard......
Its seems that the 1.8 is a way better deal over: Twice the hard drive, twice the ram, 200mhz more processor, 100mhz more bus, and PCI-X all for only a little more than the 1.6
Originally posted by smalM
Specs are available at Apples site
The 1.6 GHz is realy disappointing!
But 2 is my new favorite number
You mean the specs, the price or the GHz? Considering we were expecting 1.4 GHz before the leak, that's not too bad.
Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon
People are entitled to their point of view.
Great machines. (AT LAST!)
Pricey! (...oh...)
An aside: ironically, the G5 page on the apple store has the g4 specs pic instead of the g5 one. Everything *except* the leaked shot updated. Should we all email them the missing image?
My theory now on the G5s is that the low-end really is too expensive to produce. The new machines run hot and Apple doesn't want to deal with low-GHz G5s anywhere. We're going to have to wait for .09 970s to get the low-end and laptops. The Powermacs will clear the way for lower-cost components as well. Ah well, more waiting.
Hopefully Apple can start revving this line fairly quickly over the next 6 months.
Personally, I think the new machines look like crap, but they look much better in the framework of the http://www.apple.com/powermac page. If you assume euro styling, they look ok. Steve should have ended with the theme from 'Sprockets', though.
Originally posted by rok
no, i do too, except one bay enclosure just seems hella-strange.
For some reason the case design takes me back to watching Space: 1999 as a kid.
You know, this really sucks. Not only do I gotta pony up the $3K for the dual, but I'll have to sink some extra $ for the ATI 9800 BTO option.
At least I pre-warned the wife we were goign to be $3500 poorer in September...
Note lack of game demos.
Well, Apple DID note that an ATI 9800 Pro give 337 frames per second on Quake III Arena!
Kick-a-HA's the snot out of a Dell 3 gig! On games!
Apple does recognise the games market. I'm not sure the WWDC was the place (unless they were releasing an 'X-Box'). It was pretty packed as it was, a great Keynote.
When the 'furore' dies down...Apple will find themselves in the same position they found themselves in with the Powerbook Ti. Demand will soften and they will have to drop prices..?
We'll see.
Lemon Bon Bon
Originally posted by Jellytussle
In what sense?
In the sense of the MHz myth 3GHz is always faster than 2GHz, because it's a bigger number.
Originally posted by marcsiry
I'd like to see how the low end compares against the previous high end. Has anyone scraped together those specs yet?
It does'nt. The low-end is crap compared to the high-end. No PCI-X, slower FSB, slower RAM, half the RAM, half the HD, almost half the CPU, for $2k.
Maybe Apple doesnt even HAVE a 1.6Ghz G5...I mean at that price, they know no one will buy it. Everyone will just jump to the Dual 2Ghz.
PS> The Dual 2Ghz is a pretty damn good deal, if not an awesome deal.
1) Only one optical drive bay.
2) Only 2 internal HD bays.
3) The design, but I'll get over that. (My anti-Ive campaign has just gathered new momentum, though)
So much for my plan of getting the low-end model. That one seems very 'yikes'.
I'll spend the extra for the 2x2GHz, delete the superdrive and the internal modem, bump the HD to 250 meg, and I'll be in a very nice price range.
The G5 crushes the Xeon!!!
On some it's up to 6 times faster, dual for dual!!!
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHkinL!!!
It's gonna be hard not to buy...
Must...hide....cheque...book.......
Must...re...sist....
Lemon Bo n Bon
WOW! REAMIN'! REAMIN'!!!
HOSING.
WE'RE TALKING THE HOSING OF THE CENTURY FOR THE PENTIUM 4!!!
Did you get that from the video?
IBM and Apple are commited to KEEPING Apple at the top!
Way to go!!!
WAY TO GO!!!
THEY'RE ALREADY ON THE NEXT GEN'!!!
Buy now or then, folks. Cause...you're still going to kick Pentium/Xeon whatever arse!
PC WEENIES....C'MON! C'MON!!! WHO'S THE DADDY! WHOOOOP ASSSSS!
Picks baseball bat...c'mon....dons red head band...
You wanna piece of me? C'mon, Dell...who's yer daddy!?? Huh...you talkin' t' me? HUH? HUH?!?!?
Lemon Bon Bon
About no new displays and such, Apple probably put everything into getting this product out there. The new displays will come. But, since I just purchased a 17" Studio display I'm not worried about it.
As far as all those trolls and PC advocates and their rude comments about Apple hardware over the years. Read the specs. Read 'um and weep!
I know there will still be trolls out there but their comments now will be hollow.
Because the hardware is now very competitive it might mean more games coming to the Mac. I wonder what Carmack is saying now?
VIVA LA G5! YEAH!
what are the fastest pc quake frame rates?
Well, Apple DID note that an ATI 9800 Pro give 337 frames per second on Quake III Arena!
Kick-a-HA's the snot out of a Dell 3 gig! On games!
Pentium 4 and Athlon XP Quake 3 benchmarks here: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/2003...4_3200-07.html
They are still faster and that is with the 9700Pro the 9800 Pro is even faster.
At least Apple can be competitive in gaming now.
Just love the inside of this thing.
[edit: I do too, but this pic is a bit large to post inline. -Amorph]